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Help ID 198?s Colnago

Old 12-05-16, 05:42 PM
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Help ID 198?s Colnago

I could use some help to identify a Colnago I recently purchased from someone who had little history on the bike. I believe this is somewhere between a 1986 and 1988 Colnago Mexico, Nuevo Mexico, or Superissimo. I haven't been able to find anything online (old Colnago catalogs) or in forums that matches it quite exactly, which is why I am asking for help. The top tube and down tube are slightly crimped, but just slightly. More interesting is the name and initials on the seat stays and down tube "Hermann" and "HR". These attributes refer to Roman Hermann, a professional (track and road) cyclist from Liechtenstein in the early 80's. I can't seem to find any ties to both Roman and Ernesto, but apparently some frames must have been made for Roman. If anyone has some additional history on this frame or this rider, I'd love to hear it. Thanks for the help. In the meantime, I will be enjoying my new ride.
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Old 12-05-16, 05:49 PM
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Specific to the German bike shop Hermain.
So, you are going to need to do a bit of referencing on them.
They may still be in operation, I would inquire there.
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Old 12-05-16, 05:58 PM
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Nice Bike.
Here was a recent topic that you might find interesting.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...date-made.html
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Old 12-05-16, 10:25 PM
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Nice Bike.
Here was a recent topic that you might find interesting.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...date-made.html
Thanks. The bike in that thread seems older since the forks were squared off amnd mine are more aero. Also, those tubes weren't crimped as mine are.
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Old 12-06-16, 10:46 AM
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Are you referring to a bike shop in Germany? Please explain.
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Old 12-06-16, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Nice Bike.
Here was a recent topic that you might find interesting.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...date-made.html
Thanks for the link to the thread. The bike pictured seems quite a bit older than mine. The forks are squared off whereas mine are more aero.
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Old 12-06-16, 11:22 AM
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Judging from paint, I'd say 1986 or maybe a little before. The "fishnet" scheme was used on first gen Masters that came out in 84-85 era.
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Old 12-06-16, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by WhatsMyColnago View Post
Are you referring to a bike shop in Germany? Please explain.
he is referring to the seat stay cap.
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I'm pretty sure I saw this listing or at least a similar cap on another one. I did some research and as I like to know history. Problem is I didn't save. The rabbit holes can be hours deep so I don't want to do again, but if I can find quickly I will post.
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Old 12-06-16, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by GravelGuy View Post
Judging from paint, I'd say 1986 or maybe a little before. The "fishnet" scheme was used on first gen Masters that came out in 84-85 era.

Thanks, I have seen one other version of this online in red, but not blue and not with Hermann inscriptions. Colnago's 1988 catalog has the blue scheme but it is in a completely different model. There is another facebook or pinterest page that has a white Colnago pista with Hermann inscriptions. I have not found another road bike with Hermann.
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Originally Posted by GravelGuy View Post
Judging from paint, I'd say 1986 or maybe a little before. The "fishnet" scheme was used on first gen Masters that came out in 84-85 era.
You'll find the fishnet pattern on Mexicos as well. My buddy just built up a frame that looks like this one.

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This link might be of interest. It's for the sale of a Colnago Super with similar pantographing as yours (though no photos provided in the link). It also notes that Roman Hermann became a "general distributor" for Colnago in Switzerland after his career.

FS: NOS 55cm Colnago Super in rare Hermann limited edition - CycleBanter.com

I'd be curious to know if yours has similar markings on the dropouts as described in the link above. Also, again out of curiosity, got any close-ups of the cutouts in the lower head tube lug and fork crown?

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Thanks Gaucho777 for the thread. It seems that my Colnago is similar but a bit different than the one Frank describes. While the seatstay is inscribed"Hermann", the downtube has his initials "RH" and the fork crowns have "Colnago" which are sloped, not flat (newer design?). The dropouts are inscribed with "Brevetto Colnago" (forks) and "colnago" (rear). See attached pictures.
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Sorry, one more thing. The top of the BB housing has the trademark Colnago club stamped on both sides (see pic)
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Originally Posted by gaucho777 View Post
This link might be of interest. It's for the sale of a Colnago Super with similar pantographing as yours (though no photos provided in the link). It also notes that Roman Hermann became a "general distributor" for Colnago in Switzerland after his career.

FS: NOS 55cm Colnago Super in rare Hermann limited edition - CycleBanter.com

I'd be curious to know if yours has similar markings on the dropouts as described in the link above. Also, again out of curiosity, got any close-ups of the cutouts in the lower head tube lug and fork crown?
I started googling "Super Hermann, Colnago" and got a few hits. The Super Hermann's don't seem to have crimped top tubes or downtube. The color schemes tended to be solids and not the fishnet. So maybe these are some later versions created for Hermann when the Mexico started to roll out.
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hmmm, nothing else to add besides that's a very attractive bike. Good luck with your search.
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Of course they may not be from the same year as the frame, but you can date some of the components. The cranks will have a date code, as should the lock nuts on the rear hub. I know the Campy NR RD has a date, but I don't think your SR RD does.
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If you believe it is one from between '86 and '88, you are doing well! These beasts or buttflies are really hard to nail down to even a year. There are many variations even within a time frame. the paint is likely you best indicator, which you have. It is kind of the transition between the solid color to the outlandish paint schemes later.


I think the history you have plus that provided is really good and fortunate! It took me a couple of years to figure out that Superissimo's of the early '80's were different from Supers by the addition of more chrome. Others may say there are other differences but I think the variations are huge in any case. Trying to pinpoint a Colnago model and year is like trying to pick up a wet noodle.


I love my '83 (?) and should take it out more.
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