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Old 12-20-16, 11:10 AM
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Lightweight front rack / basket suggestions for cantilever brakes

I'm looking for a front rack / basket setup that will work in tandem with my Busch and Miller Cyo T Premium dynamo front light. Bike is a vintage 1980s Bridgestone with cantilever brakes.


The Nitto M12 rack is $72 shipped from Amazon (no weight listed)
https://www.amazon.com/Nitto-M12-Fro...words=m12+rack

The Velo Orange Pass Hunter rack is $80 and weighs only 250 g
VO Pass Hunter Front Rack - Racks, Decaleurs, Accessories - Accessories

Any preference between the two? Is there another rack I should consider?

For baskets, the Wald medium basket WALD 137 is listed as weighing 52 g, which to me seems rather lightweight
https://www.rivbike.com/products/wald-wire-basket


It doesn't look quite as classy as something like the VO Six Pack Rack
VO Six Pack Rack
but it seems it would hold more volume and is 1/5 the weight as well. (Any other suggestions for classy front baskets?)

Also, if you have suggestions for securing a basket like the Wald to one of these front racks, that would be helpful as well. I will also need to find a solution for mounting my Cyo T Premium headlight.
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I got one of those Wald baskets laying around in the garage somewhere. Used to have it on back of a Trek hybrid. It's not very heavy. But, it's bare bones. You have to figure out how to connect it to the rack. I used little stainless hose clamps.
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Originally Posted by kalash74 View Post

For baskets, the Wald medium basket WALD 137 is listed as weighing 52 g, which to me seems rather lightweight
https://www.rivbike.com/products/wald-wire-basket
Wald baskets are chromed steel utility baskets. Not light. Until Rivendell decided they were hip, people only put them on cheap heavy city bikes, or maybe messenger bikes. For them to be 52 g they'd have to be made from balsa wood. Must be a mistake.
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A had a Nitto M12 front rack on my Bob Jackson touring bike for many years. It is a very nice rack and finely constructed and finished, like all Nitto products. It weighs about 1 lb.

Ultimately, I removed the rack and sold it because I didn't find it very useful. I don't like carrying loads in the front of my bikes because it obscures my view of the front wheel and adversely affects handling. If I need to carry a load in the front, a handlebar bag works just as well. However, the Nitto rack adds a classy touch to a bike and is sometimes very handy. Here are some photos of mine.
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I have two Nitto and one VO mini front racks.
The Nitto are superior.
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I have found that the "off the shelf" non-adjustable racks don't quite fit right. Once you braze a fitting onto the fork for the rack stays to attach, it's a fixed distance between those hard points and where it attaches to the fork crown. After purchasing 3-4 and having to bend, cut, and rebraze piece back so the rack fit properly, I started making my own. That freed me up to make cable guides, lighting attachments, and fender attachments without having to use spacers. No more tie wraps as well.

The Nitto Mark's rack is adjustable, and although pricy, works quite well. It's a bit pricey.

For $12, this seems to be like a good solution.

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Mark's rack doesn't easily mount to canti bosses.
Use the M12 if you can.

On my CX frame, with no fork crown brake bolt hole, I couldn't. Attaching the Mark's rack to Paul canti rack bolts required a couple of L-brackets from McMaster (and Tubus LM-clamps to the unifork crown). I thought about all my options for a long time before buying anything this setup



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Originally Posted by tarwheel View Post
don't like carrying loads in the front of my bikes because it obscures my view of the front wheel and adversely affects handling.
I imagine that the trail on your bike is too high. A low trail bike (IMHO, ~30-35 is the sweet spot) can carry quite a load up front.

Set up for a 3 day trip:


Hauling down the Columbia River Gorge with friends. Stable enough to reach down into my handlebar bag pocket, pull out my camera, and take some pix:


Climbing up hills with zero shoulder, front loaded low trail we all noted that you could stand and pedal. Rear loaded the tail wags when you stand.

8 out of 10 frontloaded, low trail bikes at the Bridge of the Gods:
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front load on the low-trail fork of a Raleigh Interational (M18 rack with long struts to drop-out bosses - spaced away from forks with Bridgestone standoffs from Rivendell)



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I don't think the low-trail issue was my problem. My BJ is a touring bike designed for carrying loads, but it just handles differently with a load in the front. That's probably just a matter of adjusting too, like riding with a different size stem. However, I don't think I would adjust to riding with my front wheel obscured. I like to see my front wheel when riding in order to avoid rocks, sticks, potholes and other obstacles. I bike commute year-round, so I am riding in the dark very frequently, and it's critical for me to have an unobstructed view of the road ahead.

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My International would handle poorly with a rear load because of the main triangle flex.

That wasn't the case on my Grand Prix - it was great with front load and rear load.

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Originally Posted by bulldog1935 View Post
Mark's rack doesn't easily mount to canti bosses.
Use the M12 if you can.
Good to know. The only time I've used one is to test out handling with a bag on bikes that are in queue for low trail conversion/canti/centerpull bosses. I use P-clamps for that.
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Originally Posted by tarwheel View Post
I don't the low-trail issue was my problem. My BJ is a touring bike designed for carrying loads, but it just handles differently with a load in the front. That's probably just a matter of adjusting too, like riding with a different size stem. However, I don't think I would adjust to riding with my front wheel obscured. I like to see my front wheel when riding in order to avoid rocks, sticks, potholes and other obstacles. I bike commute year-round, so I am riding in the dark very frequently, and it's critical for me to have an unobstructed view of the road ahead.
If I'm looking down at my front wheel to avoid stuff, it's too late. I can see just past my front wheel which is more than far enough.

The top of my handlebar bag(s) are below my handlebars. My racks attach to the front fender, which makes the bag as low as possible, giving me a fairly clear view, even with a fairly tall bag:




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there is one spendy option that has some advantages.
When I put a VO passhunter rack on my daughter's big-tire V-brake bike, the fork crown bolt didn't want to align with the hole.
I gave a buddy at work a $15 cigar to cut and re-weld the rack brake bosses at a different angle to solve it.

Compass sells two versions of their Nitto-made M13, narrow tire and wide tire, with 5mm reach difference.
The wide tire would have worked for our dilemma - my solution was cheaper, but not available to everybody...

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Do the hack thing. Can find any old beat-up or not rear rack and mod. I cut the bent portion off a Vetta rear rack and mounted to the front on this super cheapo project. Most stable, no contact with any cantilever parts / boss, can hold substantial weight, mount a basket and far enough out for a milk crate.

[IMG]IMG_7648 by carrera247, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]IMG_7649 by carrera247, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]front rack mount on Schwinn Hurricane fork by carrera247, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]hurricane b by carrera247, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]IMG_6971sm by carrera247, on Flickr[/IMG]
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Originally Posted by bulldog1935 View Post
Mark's rack doesn't easily mount to canti bosses.
Use the M12 if you can.

On my CX frame, with no fork crown brake bolt hole, I couldn't. Attaching the Mark's rack to Paul canti rack bolts required a couple of L-brackets from McMaster (and Tubus LM-clamps to the unifork crown). I thought about all my options for a long time before buying anything this setup


Thanks for posting this. I was actually wondering what Rivendell were thinking with the threaded fittings on the top of the fork crown of my Clem Smith. Stupid as it sounds I thought maybe for lights or homemade racks. A Mark's rack works. Now I know.

I went with a Nitto M18 instead though, partly because I could easily swap it to my Mercian, should I want to carry a bigger front load than a Carradice handlebar bag allows.

To the OP, that brings up something I realized recently: brake mounted racks are not a great idea if you plan to swap them between bikes.

Also, I would favor Nitto over VO in this case. I would expect the VO would need some tweaking to work. Maybe even consider an adjustable Nitto. VO stuff can be nice, but I prefer the no BS high quality nature of Nitto racks generally speaking. It depends on the project though. I have a VO constructeur front rack, and while the quality was quite nice and better than I was expecting, it did take some bending to get it to sit level.
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I have the Nitto M18 and a Wald wire basket on my commuter. I find the basket to be super useful and versatile. I attached the basket to the rack using extra small hose clamps and cover it with a cheap Nashbar cargo net. I don't have a current pic, but here it is on a previous commuter setup:

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There's no way a steel basket weighs 52 grams (1.85 ounces). That's a misprint.

@kalash74 wants to mount his dynamo headlight. It's tricky. I'm trying to figure that out for myself, too. I have a big VO front rack but no cantilever brakes.
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I've got an Old Man Mountain front rack on my CX bike. It mounts to a special extended QR and the canti studs. Would something like this be too big? I weighed mine at 640g

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Compass makes one with a light mount


I've mounted cygolights to racks in different ways.
On Mark's Rack and M18, tapped a Gino light mount to the M6 of a Nitto 20182 Rod bolt, and added an M6 Bellville washer
(can also do on a Mark's rack, but not on an M-12)


On my daughter's VO rack, used the VO light hanger bracket - a simple strap that hangs down from an M5 boss on the VO rack, and used the normal Gino hardware to strap to the other end - lock washers keep everything from rotating, and it's more solid than it seems it should be.


The Mark's rack also has a front-and-center headlight mount, which might work for your dyno light mount


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Originally Posted by kalash74 View Post
I'm looking for a front rack / basket setup that will work in tandem with my Busch and Miller Cyo T Premium dynamo front light...I will also need to find a solution for mounting my Cyo T Premium headlight.
I'm pretty sure this solution would work with cantilever brakes.



If you can find one of these, it's a vintage Jim Blackburn front rack. Very stable, pretty light, decent footprint. I cobbled together the light bracket from odds and ends.
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I don't believe Blackburn makes those anymore, but Soma makes a similar rack.
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something nice about the narrow tombstones is good rando bags are primarily supported by a tight-fitting sleeve over the tombstone

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