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reminds me, when I was a kid in elem school, maybe 3rd grade? bought some penny candy & in front of some friends to Mr Hovenack (he ran a penny candy store in the lower level of his house & also sold deli sandwiches) I said "hey, you jipped me" pointing out that I gave him a penny & he gave me 2 pieces of candy. in his nicest (you dumba*s) tone he explained that, this particular candy, cost .5 cents ea, so for one penny, he gave us 2 pieces. DOH! driving thru the old neighborhood when I visit my parents in NY & past his house, (no longer a shop of any kind) I still smile fondly
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no, it's real easy to be offended by that, especially if you are a Latino randomly reading this forum
unfortunately, the local flavor is the observer, not the object.
Actually, barrio bike shops are treasures for a lot of reasons, and the OP stumbled upon just one of them.
unfortunately, the local flavor is the observer, not the object.
Actually, barrio bike shops are treasures for a lot of reasons, and the OP stumbled upon just one of them.
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12-22-16, 11:53 AM
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I think this is a good point, and it gets at an idea I was trying to explore in my previous response. At what point does it become "OK" to rip someone off? My perception of the culture (in the U.S.) is this:
Faceless corporation? OK.
Individual not selling for business purposes? OK.
Business owner? Depends on the perception of how small the business is.
Shop employee? No way.
I could be wrong, but I truly believe this is the way most people behave. However, by any reasonable system of ethics the answer should be the same for all of these questions in the case of a luxury item like a vintage bicycle frame. The gradation from corporation to shop employee, I think, reflects a sort of "Robin Hood" mentality that it's OK to take from those who can afford the loss, and if it were a matter of genuine need on the part of the person doing the taking I could accept that but for something like a Basso frame that's clearly not the case.
I'm not sure what's behind the perception that it's OK to take advantage of the individual who isn't selling for business purposes. Perhaps it's a sort of game mentality where each individual is responsible for his/her own actions and is expected to seek their own best interest. Perhaps it's just a "no harm, no foul" attitude with a lot of assumptions made. There have been a few stories shared on this forum where people chose to disclose the true value of an item to a seller before buying at a low price and I admire that.
If I'm honest with myself, I think I might behave similarly to the OP, caught up in the moment and excited about a good deal but later taking a very critical look at myself.
Faceless corporation? OK.
Individual not selling for business purposes? OK.
Business owner? Depends on the perception of how small the business is.
Shop employee? No way.
I could be wrong, but I truly believe this is the way most people behave. However, by any reasonable system of ethics the answer should be the same for all of these questions in the case of a luxury item like a vintage bicycle frame. The gradation from corporation to shop employee, I think, reflects a sort of "Robin Hood" mentality that it's OK to take from those who can afford the loss, and if it were a matter of genuine need on the part of the person doing the taking I could accept that but for something like a Basso frame that's clearly not the case.
I'm not sure what's behind the perception that it's OK to take advantage of the individual who isn't selling for business purposes. Perhaps it's a sort of game mentality where each individual is responsible for his/her own actions and is expected to seek their own best interest. Perhaps it's just a "no harm, no foul" attitude with a lot of assumptions made. There have been a few stories shared on this forum where people chose to disclose the true value of an item to a seller before buying at a low price and I admire that.
If I'm honest with myself, I think I might behave similarly to the OP, caught up in the moment and excited about a good deal but later taking a very critical look at myself.
I had a situation very similar to the part in Bold....although it was a major online retailer a few years back, price matching, their price match 'disclaimer' (std. stuff, must be US retailer, same EXACT product, in stock, etc) was inadequate and I pointed that out. They didn't disagree, noted that I found a loop hole and gave it to me for $500 less than the best price I found it elsewhere. Called them up 15 minutes later and cancelled order. A little self reflection and realizing that I was caught up in the moment of finding a good deal wasn't worth it....to me.
Not trying showcase my morals, I wouldn't hold it against anybody else if they kept the deal, but I guess my point is human nature and 'survival' instincts to get a lot for little is hard to suppress. But this is a hobby, on the other end it may be somebody's livelihood and me as a consumer typically doesn't have the visibility to understand how those two intersect.
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