Voyaguer 11.8 - 25" Chrome - Getting it back on the road
01-09-17, 11:17 AM
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I think the cable housing looks fine. On this setup running it in front/back of the bars looks like a wash to me. I've got bikes set up both ways (and aero-routing, too!) "Meh" on zip ties; that's hobo-bike stuff, you have a bike here that has the potential to look absolutely amazing.
Don't know what's going on with the finish on the DA RD, never seen one looking like that before. As long as it shifts well...? A little weatherbeaten makes it look more vintage, I suppose. BUT, if it was me, I'd eventually find another GT300 at some point. This bike is interesting enough to do the 'correct' thing.
Really hate that saddle, honestly. I'm a total Brooks snob, I will admit, and can't abide such a modern looking seat on such a classic looking ride. I realize a saddle is personal thing and must work well for the rider, or he won't ride it much. If that's the one your bum loves, then keep it for sure.
Don't know what's going on with the finish on the DA RD, never seen one looking like that before. As long as it shifts well...? A little weatherbeaten makes it look more vintage, I suppose. BUT, if it was me, I'd eventually find another GT300 at some point. This bike is interesting enough to do the 'correct' thing.
Really hate that saddle, honestly. I'm a total Brooks snob, I will admit, and can't abide such a modern looking seat on such a classic looking ride. I realize a saddle is personal thing and must work well for the rider, or he won't ride it much. If that's the one your bum loves, then keep it for sure.
That generation Dura-Ace RD is actually closer in age to the bike than that GT300 Long Cage but I do agree the GT300 looks way cooler. My Dad supposedly picked it (GT300) on a trade in bike at the bike shop when he worked there and replaced the original Altus LT RD.
So the saddle I was on the fence with. I do like the standard Brooks saddle but I just kind of thought they look "too old" for this bike. I picked the brown and white stitching charger spoon thinking it at least had a little "vintage vibe" to it. I'm just getting it back on the road so the saddle is an easy swap. Ive actually never ridden on a brooks saddle but this one was also only $30.
01-09-17, 01:12 PM
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What do you guys think of these pedals? With some new leather straps?
It has plastic toe clips and welgro pedals with nylon straps on it now
Vintage Shimano Dura-Ace PD-7400 Road Bike Bicycle Pedals With Toe Clips | eBay
It has plastic toe clips and welgro pedals with nylon straps on it now
Vintage Shimano Dura-Ace PD-7400 Road Bike Bicycle Pedals With Toe Clips | eBay
01-09-17, 02:44 PM
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The 11.8 bikes came with a Shimano freehub. It was basically their first version of a freehub and wasnt interchangable with any later freehubs. Dead technology.
For sure cassette and freehub technology on the 11.8s. If an 11.8 has a freewheel, it isnt the original hubs.
For sure cassette and freehub technology on the 11.8s. If an 11.8 has a freewheel, it isnt the original hubs.
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I was debating on trying to put a 7 speed cogset in there since it was just friction anyhow, are you saying there is no way to upgrade this without replacing the hub too? Just curious, I've never messed with rear gears before other than putting brand new wheelset and cassette on a bike I upgraded to 10 speed. Late December '80 badge 11.8 V'ger.
I did some research and while it looks and comes apart like a uni-glide hub/cassette its a pre-uniglide to confirm what the above people posted.
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I was debating on trying to put a 7 speed cogset in there since it was just friction anyhow, are you saying there is no way to upgrade this without replacing the hub too? Just curious, I've never messed with rear gears before other than putting brand new wheelset and cassette on a bike I upgraded to 10 speed. Late December '80 badge 11.8 V'ger.
New wheelset time if you want to go to 7 in back(built a 7sp wheelset for mine, actually, used RX100 hubs).
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If you want to stick with the GT300 RD, you can expand your search to include the Shimano Crane and Titlist rears as well for spring donors. (The GT300 is a rebaged Crane GS, which only differs from the Titlist by having an aluminum cage vs the Titlist's steel one.) The GT300 is certainly cool looking, and it's nice that it's Schwinn specific. Other than that, the DA 7400 is certainly a classy choice, and with it's "Just clear of Suntour's Patent" slant parallelogram, it will shift better than the GT300 / Crane.
- Cameron
If you want to stick with the GT300 RD, you can expand your search to include the Shimano Crane and Titlist rears as well for spring donors. (The GT300 is a rebaged Crane GS, which only differs from the Titlist by having an aluminum cage vs the Titlist's steel one.) The GT300 is certainly cool looking, and it's nice that it's Schwinn specific. Other than that, the DA 7400 is certainly a classy choice, and with it's "Just clear of Suntour's Patent" slant parallelogram, it will shift better than the GT300 / Crane.
- Cameron
01-09-17, 05:33 PM
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The titlists I have use aluminium cages
Backtrack: the back of the cage is steel, rest aluminium.
Backtrack: the back of the cage is steel, rest aluminium.
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01-10-17, 09:07 PM
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^^^ nope, back again. The cage on my older titlist rear derailleur are aluminium, just like the crane.
01-11-17, 11:25 AM
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This doesn't mean it was a bad derailleur but to keep cost down since it was to represent a model down from the Crane. Both Crane and Titlist were the best performing derailleurs that Shimano had in the 70's which would keep up with the best of anything that Italy or French put out, but no derailleur manufacture could beat the Suntour mid to high end derailleurs. The Titlist later became the Shimano 600 which that lead to Ultegra.
By the way, it's very easy to check to see if the cages are steel or not, simply take a magnet and place it on the cages, if the mags fall off it's AL, if it sticks it's steel.
01-11-17, 05:36 PM
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hmmm, well not according to this: Shimano Titlist-Titlist GS derailleur (D-6?1) Read the very bottom where it says MATERIAL, it states the cages were steel. I could find no information anywhere on the internet of a Titlist with aluminum cages. Also scan down to general information: VeloBase.com - Component: Shimano D-600 Titlist
This doesn't mean it was a bad derailleur but to keep cost down since it was to represent a model down from the Crane. Both Crane and Titlist were the best performing derailleurs that Shimano had in the 70's which would keep up with the best of anything that Italy or French put out, but no derailleur manufacture could beat the Suntour mid to high end derailleurs. The Titlist later became the Shimano 600 which that lead to Ultegra.
By the way, it's very easy to check to see if the cages are steel or not, simply take a magnet and place it on the cages, if the mags fall off it's AL, if it sticks it's steel.
This doesn't mean it was a bad derailleur but to keep cost down since it was to represent a model down from the Crane. Both Crane and Titlist were the best performing derailleurs that Shimano had in the 70's which would keep up with the best of anything that Italy or French put out, but no derailleur manufacture could beat the Suntour mid to high end derailleurs. The Titlist later became the Shimano 600 which that lead to Ultegra.
By the way, it's very easy to check to see if the cages are steel or not, simply take a magnet and place it on the cages, if the mags fall off it's AL, if it sticks it's steel.
Yes, did the magnet test and it fell off. This early titlist has an aluminium cage. It came off an early Sekine I have and does not have any date codes on it. I read the same thing you did but I believe what I have in my hand.
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01-11-17, 08:35 PM
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I finally got the tape and hoods on.
I'm not the best at wrapping but should do the job for now. I definitely didn't use their supplied finishing tape. Good ol' super 33+ tape always works.
It's a little.... loud
I'm not the best at wrapping but should do the job for now. I definitely didn't use their supplied finishing tape. Good ol' super 33+ tape always works.
It's a little.... loud
01-11-17, 08:41 PM
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For finishing tape I'm a big fan of the colored vinyl tape sold in a 5-pack at Ace. The red would look pretty sharp on there.
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