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MiloFrance 02-03-17 01:17 PM

+1 on too many of the comments to quote!

unworthy1 02-03-17 02:05 PM

Very impressive work! I myself am in the (very slooow) process of re-creating an old headbadge and if i get good results I MIGHT share with BF. But it's not for restoring an example of the (1930s) marque, it's just a really cool graphic.
So this badge-making, as RHM does it, involves a vector file (and work to make it), then 3D printing in wax, then lost-wax casting, and finally finishing with forming to curve and paint in-fill...That's a LOT of steps! Good news is that it's all repeatable so you can make identical dupes, BUT:
BITD I made a number of brass badges by just making a "reverse print" on some brass stock using asphaltum (essentially "tar") and then dipping in a jar of nitric acid...acid-etched. Same technique used to make some fine-art printing plates. YRMV and I'd strongly suggest gloves and eye protection! But the technology was less complex!

crank_addict 02-03-17 02:14 PM

Outstanding!

Two very talented and sharing individuals.

High praises for Rudi's saddles. In regards to the art imprint on them, he also does by hand tooled.

gugie 02-03-17 02:57 PM

The first bike the decals and headtube will go on will be the Rohloffapillar I built for a friend. It'll be forest green with cream head and seat tubes. The saddle will be for me.

lostarchitect 02-03-17 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by squirtdad (Post 19355119)
thanks for the "traded secrets" This may be very helpful to me on a completely not bike related project I have going

Yeah, Rudi was just advising me about this stuff on a guitar project I'm working on--very helpful!

delicious 02-03-17 04:10 PM

Beautiful! You both do excellent work.

LouB 02-03-17 04:26 PM

Wonderful work. Love the process. as an aside--I think if I found a Gino Bartali saddle, I'd just about soil myself. My hero. Born close to where my dad was born in Tuscany. Won the TdF the year I was born. Oh and just happened to save many lives during the facist regime/occupation of Italy.

gugie 02-03-17 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by LouB (Post 19355746)
Wonderful work. Love the process. as an aside--I think if I found a Gino Bartali saddle, I'd just about soil myself. My hero. Born close to where my dad was born in Tuscany. Won the TdF the year I was born. Oh and just happened to save many lives during the facist regime/occupation of Italy.

Yep, it would go in a glass front box and hung on my wall.

crank_addict 02-03-17 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by LouB (Post 19355746)
Wonderful work. Love the process. as an aside--I think if I found a Gino Bartali saddle, I'd just about soil myself. My hero. Born close to where my dad was born in Tuscany. Won the TdF the year I was born. Oh and just happened to save many lives during the facist regime/occupation of Italy.

Of interest and as well for others (if needed, use translate).
https://secure.avaaz.org/it/petition...rtali/?smVXcfb

It was broadcast on another forum about saving the museum and possibly other issues. I know little beyond that.

Apology for the interuption -back to the topic.

gugie 02-03-17 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by gaucho777 (Post 19354192)
Wow, very impressed all around. Fantastic work!

I'd love to hear more about how those head badges were crafted.


Originally Posted by squirtdad (Post 19355119)
thanks for the "traded secrets" This may be very helpful to me on a completely not bike related project I have going


Originally Posted by delicious (Post 19355721)
Beautiful! You both do excellent work.

The frame's in Richmond, Ed Litton will be painting it (when he gets a round tuit), resides in Berkeley. [MENTION=61707]squirtdad[/MENTION]'s a distance away, but the other two of you will be local.

LouB 02-03-17 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by crank_addict (Post 19355790)
Of interest and as well for others (if needed, use translate).
https://secure.avaaz.org/it/petition...rtali/?smVXcfb

It was broadcast on another forum about saving the museum and possibly other issues. I know little beyond that.

Apology for the interuption -back to the topic.

Much appreciated. I'm reading "Road to Valor" about Gino right now. Defiantely on my bucket list to visit one of these days.

LouB 02-03-17 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by gugie (Post 19355763)
Yep, it would go in a glass front box and hung on my wall.

x2 for sure, but a reproduction might have to go on the '48 Legnano I hope to find and own....some day!

clubman 02-03-17 05:38 PM

Very fine work guys. I hope my ship comes in soon, I 'd like a custom frame to fit me, bad. The saddle is de rigueur


Originally Posted by LouB (Post 19355746)
My hero... and just happened to save many lives during the facist regime/occupation of Italy.

Sounds like a soon-to-be-developed Avengers film, get your armour/cape/shield/hammer ready, a country may need you. :innocent:

I'll reach out to Scarlett, if need be. Strike that, I'm old.

edit No disrespect to you or Bartali. A worthy hero.

unworthy1 02-03-17 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by gugie (Post 19355839)
The frame's in Richmond, Ed Litton will be painting it (when he gets a round tuit), resides in Berkeley. [MENTION=61707]squirtdad[/MENTION]'s a distance away, but the other two of you will be local.

And that closes the circle cause Ed Litton is a fine-fine-super fine painter, one of the best! And he's in Point Richmond for all you East Bayers...a smaller target if you go searching for him :)

pandraztic 02-04-17 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by rhm (Post 19354617)
Hmm... well, at the risk of giving away proprietary trade secrets...

I start with a drawing...
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/762/31...dd583380_b.jpg

and I go to the 3D printing service "Shapeways:"
https://www.shapeways.com/creator/2dto3d#landing

and I upload my drawing. After a few steps I get a preview of the stamps, which might look like this:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/617/31...cfae2dba_z.jpg

I chose a material (in this case, the cheapest plastic). They do various checks of how thick it will be, and... eventually I pay them, they print it, and they send it to me.

I do something similar with the head badge, except it was "printed" in brass or bronze. That actually means they print in castable wax and then turn it into metal by a lost wax casting process. It comes to me flat; I file it as needed, add paint, sand the paint of the high parts, curve it to fit a bicycle, and... that's about it. Please don't tell anyone.

I made [MENTION=381793]gugie[/MENTION] four head badges; two of them are brass, two are bronze. I can't tell the difference, but I believe they will oxidize differently, so in a year or two they should be different colors.

Holy wow thanks for sharing!!!! This is great! I definitely want to give this a try!

daf1009 02-04-17 04:57 AM

[MENTION=381793]gugie[/MENTION] & [MENTION=73614]rhm[/MENTION]

OH MY GOSH! This has to be the ABSOLUTE coolest stuff...sitting here simply in awe! Thank you to both for allowing us to view the craftsmanship and beauty that you are creating...

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

non-fixie 02-04-17 05:10 AM

A marque is born?
 
Yes. Definitely.

DIMcyclist 02-04-17 01:18 PM

:thumb:Bravo!!

dedhed 02-04-17 01:56 PM

The talents of people in this forum never cease to amaze me.

gugie 02-04-17 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by unworthy1 (Post 19356181)
And that closes the circle cause Ed Litton is a fine-fine-super fine painter, one of the best! And he's in Point Richmond for all you East Bayers...a smaller target if you go searching for him :)

Yep, he did the paint on this J.P. Weigle Raleigh Competition reconstruct for me:

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7375/1...6519a007_b.jpg

motogeek 02-04-17 08:12 PM

That is some very nice work ... thanks for sharing that with us. BTW, I love the Art Deco typeface on Gugie's logo!

Steve Whitlatch 02-04-17 10:12 PM

Seriously, this is about as cool as it gets. This is the kind of thing that keeps me glued to this forum.

noglider 02-04-17 10:28 PM

I'm speechless.

ThermionicScott 03-19-17 01:03 PM

I'm about a month late to respond, but I love the logo! I feel like I suggested on the phone a few months ago that you ought to have your own logo for the neat stuff you make. ;)

Darth Lefty 04-11-17 10:15 AM

Shapeways does lost wax? That's pretty cool


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