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Old 02-07-17, 08:37 PM
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Identify this Campy headset?

Hi. Which groupset/era would this headset be associated with? It does not have the "Campagnolo" stamped around the cups like the Nuovo Record. Any ideas on the vintage or groupset? Thanks.
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It's hard to be sure from the photos, but that could be a track headset from the "Record" era. I have one just like it on my track bike from 1967.
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Looks like Gran Sport. Are the bearings caged or loose?

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I think that DD has this one pegged, looking at VeloBase it appears to be the GS headset.
VeloBase.com - Component: Campagnolo 1040/A, Gran Sport

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Looks like Gran Sport. Are the bearings caged or loose?

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Bearings are loose. Came off an early 80s Peter Mooney.
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Originally Posted by qcpmsame View Post
I think that DD has this one pegged, looking at VeloBase it appears to be the GS headset.
VeloBase.com - Component: Campagnolo 1040/A, Gran Sport

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Yes, that's it. Ok. Great thanks.
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Originally Posted by qcpmsame View Post
I think that DD has this one pegged, looking at VeloBase it appears to be the GS headset.
VeloBase.com - Component: Campagnolo 1040/A, Gran Sport

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Does it use 5/32' balls? Record Pista and Gran Sport are very similar and often confused. Both use 5/32" balls, but the Gran Sport headset has only two flats on the threaded cup; the OP's headset has eight. That makes it a Record Pista headset.

This is the Gran Sport:

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As I said in post no. 2, Record Pista (track) from the late sixties, through early seventies. If I knew how, I'd take a photo of the one on my bike and post it, but you'll have to make do with this downloaded photo.



As JT mentioned, make a note of the octagonal flats on the top cup.


BTW and FWIW, Record Road headsets, were steel. Nuovo Record headsets were made of aluminum.
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Much better find than the GS. I run one on my pig in lipstick USSR track bike.

And funny as usual. I had not rode that bike in probably 4 months but used it to go the the barber today.


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Ah, sorry I mis-identified. Even nicer to find out it's even rarer and of higher quality.

On a different note, what's the diff between a road and track HS? Can they be interchangeable?

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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude View Post
Ah, sorry I mis-identified. Even nicer to find out it's even rarer and of higher quality.

On a different note, what's the diff between a road and track HS? Can they be interchangeable?

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The track headsets were lighter duty, lighter, with lower stack, and smaller balls. As one might guess, they were for the smooth world of the track, rather than the lousy pavements of Italian roads of the era.

Except for the key washer and lock nut, they were close but no cigar, NOT interchangeable with the road version (though there might have been some compatibility with the Gran Sport version)
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A thousand apologies for the incorrect identification. Par for the course for me.

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Record Road headsets, were steel. Nuovo Record headsets were made of aluminum.
And Record road headsets used 3/16" balls, while Record Pista and Gran Sport used 5/32" balls. The smaller ball size of the Record Pista and GS units resulted in a shorter stack height, and were often installed with replacement forks when the new fork's steer tube was slightly too short for a Record road unit.
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