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Old 02-08-17, 07:03 PM
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Opaque Green '72? Schwinn Super Sport

I Bought It Now! for $200 after reading about the handmade fillet brazed frames and seeing some nice looking restorations here. See anything glaringly wrong? I think it might just need tires, tubes, truing, cables, and a tune up to be road decent?

It's interesting to see the red primer underneath in some spots, apparently it's supposed to be there, according to something I read online about the factory paint process.

I plan to convert the bottom bracket, drivetrain, etc. and switch to upright handlebars for commuting, 14 miles per day, probably will add new wheels, brakes, and derailleurs, among other parts -- and maybe refinish the frame at some point if I like the ride.

I couldn't tell what seat is included (will replace), it seems to have 2 dragons on it? I'm hoping the frame is straight, but was a little concerned with the pic showing seat stays and rear triangle.

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I've found a Cool Lemon Super Sport in my size recently, but haven't bitten on it yet. It should clean up nicely. I know these are heavy old clunkers, but there is something mystical about having a bike I couldn't afford when I was a teen. Hell, $100 might as well been a million back then. I was mowing yards at $3 a pop.

Good luck and enjoy your new ride. You will enjoy restoring it and bringing it back to life!
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I know these are heavy old clunkers...
Hey now, that ain't no Varsity
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Old 02-08-17, 07:19 PM
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There is so much to enjoy while you make this bike your rider. Hope everything is good with the frame and components. The frame is the main player though.
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I was watching that listing: Vintage Rare Opaque Green Schwinn Super Sport Bicycle 22" Frame from 1972 - Used | eBay

The bike is in exceptionally original condition, the only things I see missing are the Brooks B15 saddle and the toe clips/straps. It should clean up well. For future resale I would keep all the original parts from whatever you remove and change.
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Close ups of seat and badge

Here are some close ups (as much as possible with the ebay pics) ... I'm curious about the seat, 2 Chinese looking dragons, but looks like an old leather seat, maybe from the 70s? Noticed the head badge screws seem loose, hope nothing too bad is hiding behind the badge or with the screw holes.

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I'm curious about the seat, 2 Chinese looking dragons, but looks like an old leather seat, maybe from the 70s?
That's a cheap rubber Mesinger brand replacement saddle, not worth much. The original saddle on that bike was a Brooks B15 Champion Standard like this: BROOKS B15 BLACK VINTAGE SADDLE | eBay

Excellent to NOS examples can go for some pretty good money: Rare Vintage BROOKS Saddle B15 CHAMPION STANDARD black 1970 nos | eBay
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Thanks for the info!
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Ooohhh....... Nice! Grail bike for me (25 inch tho).don't see the opaque green ones that's for sure.
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Looks to be in better "as found" condition than the two I am currently renovating. When you do the bottom bracket conversion, avoid the Truvative kit. It extends deeper in than some of the others and the Super Sport BB opening has a stepped ridge about 1/2" in that narrows the hole & prevents full insertion. This is mentioned in some of the 3 piece conversion threads.

Weight can be reduced a bit. My 66 SS went from 32.4 pounds as found down to 28.4 pounds after stripping some steel parts but keeping the Ashtabula crank and steel seat post. I'm getting rid of the steel crank and other heavy bits, so it will be lighter yet, but I haven't weighed it thus far. Don
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My '72 that came from CL in eastern WA. Only major flaw, previous owner inscribed his DL on the left chain stay...
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^^Nice work on your '72 -- the green looks good! Lots of nice upgrades apparent. Looks like you might also have the same Mesinger saddle? How do you like it? Maybe it was a cheaper option?^^

Thanks All for sharing ... I've read different accounts of the Truvative kit -- some say it's fine, others say there's a ridge in the BB / frame that needs to be dealt with when fitting the replacement kit.

Any clarification on this? Alternative BB replacement options & suggestions appreciated, if Truvative kit has issues.

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Cool bike in a rare (1972 only) color for that model! You can find decent Brooks saddles for less than fifty bucks on ePay if you're patient. The black ones are a little bit harder to find for that price vs. the brown ones, but they're out there. There should be a decent Craigslist following in New Yawk as well. I've found them once in awhile there, too. Keep us updated on your progress!
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Originally Posted by specialmonkey View Post
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I plan to convert the bottom bracket, drivetrain, etc. and switch to upright handlebars for commuting, 14 miles per day, probably will add new wheels, brakes, and derailleurs, among other parts -- and maybe refinish the frame at some point if I like the ride. ...

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Why upright bars for a 14-mile/day commute? If I had a SS, I would probably swap in an aluminum crankset and replace the TwinStik levers with SunTour barcons, delete the pie plate spoke protector, install KoolStop salmon brake pads, and leave everything else alone, unless I also got a good deal on a SunTour rear derailleur.
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^^Nice work on your '72 -- the green looks good! Lots of nice upgrades apparent. Looks like you might also have the same Mesinger saddle? How do you like it? Maybe it was a cheaper otion?^^

Thanks All for sharing ... I've read different accounts of the Truvative kit -- some say it's fine, others say there's a ridge in the BB / frame that needs to be dealt with when fitting the replacement kit.

Any clarification on this? Alternative BB replacement options & suggestions appreciated, if Truvative kit has issues.
Thanks SM!

The saddle is the one that came on the bike and because I use the SS as an around town bike, I kept it. Works fine and is comfortable enough, although the support springs tend to make a bit of noise.

I used the Truvative adapter because it was what I had available at the time. Definitely doesn't mount flush to the Schwinn BB shell, but I haven't had any issues with it loosening up or making noise. Combined with a sealed cartridge BB, it has been trouble free.
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If I had a SS, I would probably swap in an aluminum crankset and replace the TwinStik levers with SunTour barcons, delete the pie plate spoke protector, install KoolStop salmon brake pads, and leave everything else alone, unless I also got a good deal on a SunTour rear derailleur.
We think alike John E.

I couldn't entirely lose the pie plate, and I went with Shimano, although SunTour has the performance edge.
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Why upright bars for a 14-mile/day commute? If I had a SS, I would probably swap in an aluminum crankset and replace the TwinStik levers with SunTour barcons, delete the pie plate spoke protector, install KoolStop salmon brake pads, and leave everything else alone, unless I also got a good deal on a SunTour rear derailleur.
Interesting suggestions (I'll look into the KoolStop salmon brake pads, they look nice and wide), I may consider barcons, but really like mid-to-late-80s mountain bike style shifting, like Deore thumb shifters. I can't get as comfortable with drop bars, but can still get low on upright, straight, or mustache style bars, if I need to pick up speed or ride into the wind.

Riding around this city is particularly dangerous (lots of big trucks turning and going too fast), being upright potentially makes me more visible, but it's mainly a comfort issue and preference.

I considered buying a new bike,

(after my red '87 Peugeot Orient Express frame failed / broke / melted on the drive side chainstay at rear dropout a few weeks ago on my commute home),

and rode a few Surlys (and an All City) at my LBS - each with drop bars. In addition to it feeling different and slightly uncomfortable (I'm sure I could get used to it), I didn't appreciate the view -- of the front tire rolling. The view is a little better riding the hoods, but I like it more with upright bars.

The new bikes that I can possibly afford don't seem to have much soul and did almost nothing for me. Preaching to the choir, I'm sure.

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Thanks SM!

The saddle is the one that came on the bike and because I use the SS as an around town bike, I kept it. Works fine and is comfortable enough, although the support springs tend to make a bit of noise.

I used the Truvative adapter because it was what I had available at the time. Definitely doesn't mount flush to the Schwinn BB shell, but I haven't had any issues with it loosening up or making noise. Combined with a sealed cartridge BB, it has been trouble free.
A little seat spring noise is nice

Was the Truvative kit difficult to install? Was there a ridge on the inside of the BB shell that you had to deal with -- if so, how did you deal with it?

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The original drop bars are my all time favorites. They were also on '70s Continentals and Sport Tourers (also maybe the late '70s Superiors). I've put them on my Paramount and Cannondale ST400. Great comfortable bars!
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Looks like you might also have the same Mesinger saddle? How do you like it? Maybe it was a cheaper otion?
There were no optional saddles on the Super Sport, however dealers did often make substitutions at customer request.

...Alternative BB replacement options & suggestions appreciated, if Truvative kit has issues.
I recommend using a conversion spindle like this: SR BOTTOM BRACKET 1970s AMERICAN CRANK CONVERSION SPINDLE BMX VINTAGE NOS | eBay

Using that type of bolt-in spindle was the "official" Schwinn method back in the day. With it you retain the existing (and extremely durable) bottom bracket cups, cones and bearings. I previously wrote more about this option as well as others in the following post: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...l#post19122066
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Thanks for the BB Info!

I think I noticed the same Mesinger saddle on another 70s era Schwinn.

Thanks for the BB suggestion option and helpful thread references.
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Thanks All for sharing ... I've read different accounts of the Truvative kit -- some say it's fine, others say there's a ridge in the BB / frame that needs to be dealt with when fitting the replacement kit.

Any clarification on this? Alternative BB replacement options & suggestions appreciated, if Truvative kit has issues.[/QUOTE]
Here's a few pics of my 66 (Copper) and 71 (Yellow) SS projects. You can see the lip on the 66, there is only about 11mm from edge to the ridge, so anything wider than about 10mm will end up sticking out unless you remove metal. I used 1 like this on the 71 and have another on the way for my 66:


It was a good fit and I used a 115mm Tange cartridge bottom bracket with an early Shimano 600 crankset. When I get these 2 done I will do a build write up and try to have better pictures of the installed adapters. Don
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Bottom Bracket Converter

Thanks for the info. That kit seems to have a taper on one side, possibly? You mentioned it was a good fit, does that mean you didn't have to remove metal to get it to fit perfectly in the Super Sport's BB shell?
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Yes. The one I got a few months ago and this one both have a beveled inner edge. More importantly, the 1st one went all the way in without contacting the lip. However, the 1st kit came unlabeled in a sealed bag and that seller isn't offering any currently.

When looking closely at the photos on e-Bay, the Truvative adapter is deeper than these. That is how I chose the 1st one anyway & it turned out to be a good fit. So, I am taking a chance, but I do have a close friend who operates a small machine shop. He does prototype work in the aerospace field. If necessary, the BB shell or the conversion kit can be made to play nicely. Just don't think it will be necessary. I will let you know in a few days if there are any problems with kits from this source. Don
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