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Old 03-22-17, 07:57 AM
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The classic story of...Schwinnderella

So last fall, I followed the stories of RHM's and NLerner's frame modifications by Gugie with great interest. For some time, I'd been looking for a way to update and modify an older Schwinn Voyageur frame to fit 650B wheels and more modern (or at least more effective) brakes. I shopped the idea around to a few frame builders, but none seemed all that excited about working on what is, after all, a production frame. However, with his experience and enthusiasm for similar projects, Gugie (Mark) looked like the perfect choice.


In early December, a frame came up on the Minneapolis CL- a teal green '88-89 that was listed here on the forum. ChromeMolly (Pete) was kind enough to facilitate the purchase and ship me the frame. I checked it here for dents and rust, tapped the threads to make sure they were solid, but to be honest, it was in pretty sad shape. Wish I had taken some pictures of it back then, because I wondered if it was a good deal even for $100.


So, of it went to Gugie. This is the first picture I got back:





Followed by:



Pretty grim, but shortly thereafter, things began to look up:

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Gugie proceeded to change the mounting posts for RAID centerpulls and modify the fork:






And then clean everything up in preparation for powder coating:






Still to come: Schwinnderella gets new clothes!
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Wow! Customizing existing frames looks to be a whole lot more fun then building new ones! I like! Can't wait to see the build.

Doc, will you need a custom freewheel for this set up?
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I've been to @gugie's shop and am always amazed by his creative solutions and outstanding workmanship.

Can't wait to see what else evolves with this bike.
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Looks very interesting. So the Voyager was as 27" wheel canti bike? I love the curve of the new stay bridge and the cleverly hidden fender mount.


Does this have or are you going to add those neat little spoke holders?
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Eager to see more.

Ditto on the curved brake bridge( or fender bridge now ) Raleigh USA had a few models with those too.

What colour will this be ?
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What fun! Looking forward to more.

I assume you/Mark may have kept the fork geo stock, correct?
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Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh View Post
Wow! Customizing existing frames looks to be a whole lot more fun then building new ones!
It's also a lot less work!

Originally Posted by Velocivixen View Post
I've been to @gugie's shop and am always amazed by his creative solutions and outstanding workmanship.
Thanks, and I'm waiting for you to pick up a torch sometime...



Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
Looks very interesting. So the Voyager was as 27" wheel canti bike? I love the curve of the new stay bridge and the cleverly hidden fender mount.

Does this have or are you going to add those neat little spoke holders?
Yes, thanks, and sorry, no. If anyone knows a source for the spoke holder bits that double as a chain guard, let me know. I've been looking for some.

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What fun! Looking forward to more.

I assume you/Mark may have kept the fork geo stock, correct?
Yep, Doc Cannondale told me he was real happy with the way it handled. If it ain't broke...
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Yep, Doc Cannondale told me he was real happy with the way it handled. If it ain't broke...
'Zactly. Nice work!
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Schwinderella- she left a tire at the ball...
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So, the new clothes. From the beginning, I had a vision of what I wanted the finished product to look like: off-white/creamy white finish, with decals, saddle and bar tape of a certain color combination to be revealed later. Since Len no longer does powder coating and Gugie has a powder coater with whom he's been happy, I asked him to pick out a suitable color and have his guy do the work. And I'm glad I did, since this is the picture Gugie sent me after it came back and before it was shipped:





Meanwhile, anyone who's looking for a guide on how to pack and ship a bike can just send a PM to Mark. A week after FedEx picked it up, this showed up at my doorstep (after having been removed from the box/cocoon):



After all of the packing had been pulled off, it was apparent that the frame and brakes had made the cross country trip (it's third) unscathed:




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And so, inch by inch, bit by bit, Schwinnderella got dressed. First the crankset, because I wasn't sure what size spindle it would need and if I needed to order one, it had to happen immediately. As it turned out, a cartridge 115mm fit perfectly:





Yep, that's a 50/34/24 triple on a set of vintage Deore crank arms, courtesy of our own Neal Lerner.


After the BB came the headset. I had a 27.0 Shimano 6207 unit saved for just this build, and it fit like a glove:




Then, the shifters. I actually spent a LOT of time juggling parts from various iterations of 6207 friction shifters to some up with ones that would screw into 5mm bolt holes AND look good. That buffing wheel my daughter gave me for Christmas last year came in handy as well:



Then on to the front derailleur, a 28.6 clamping model Deore from the mid 80's:



...and the rear derailleur, also a Deore mid-80's model:



So, moving onward, mounted up the Nitto Technomic stem modified by Gugie to also act as the front brake cable stop, the Nitto Noodle handlebars, and the NOS Shimano 6207 brake levers:




...at which point I had to go pick up my grandson and watch him for the rest of the day. But on the way back home, picked up the custom built wheels.


Tomorrow: Schwinnderella get some lovely new slippers!!
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AKA, Doc Cannondale - how unobservant of me to have missed that until just now. Even a new (to my eyes) avatar.


Congrats on envisioning a new bike in the SUL (Secret Underground Laboratory) and taking the many steps to make it real. It will be worthy - for the singularity alone.


Wonderful work @gugie - nice finish, I know it takes many hours to do it right.


Minor thread diversion
Honestly speaking out:
I think Sir Gugie needs a nick-name embracing the spirit of his bi-cycle-ness.
I would propose: 6 5 0 Bravo. Whoooops - make that MR. 6 5 0 Bravo
Because he's so good at it.


Now back to the thread.

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...... with decals, saddle and bar tape of a certain color combination to be revealed later.

Pink?


....because it just sounds like it goes with a Schwinderella


and pink taffeta mudguards


edit: sorry - too many daughters.

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I've been to @gugie's shop and am always amazed by his creative solutions and outstanding workmanship.
I, too, have made the pilgrimage (and have an unfinished Bianchi project that has been blessed by his holy torch). But the thing that weirds me out is how eerily clean and organized his shop is. I mean, how can he possibly be getting anything done in there?

@rccardr, that Schwinnderella thing you got going on looks like it's going to be the perfect Cino Heroica machine; fat tires, hill gearing and non-aero brakes. Not that your ride last year was any slouch. See you there next fall?
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I, too, have made the pilgrimage (and have an unfinished Bianchi project that has been blessed by his holy torch). But the thing that weirds me out is how eerily clean and organized his shop is. I mean, how can he possibly be getting anything done in there? .....snip
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[QUOTE=Lascauxcaveman;19461558]I, too, have an unfinished Bianchi project that has been blessed by his holy torch. Quote]

Yes, we've been patiently waiting........ I have 'befores'.
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So, everybody knows that Schwinnderella needs to get some fancy sneaks so she can look hot at the ball, right? That's why I had local head mech and wheel builder extraordinare Derrick at The Bike Lane lace up these NOS (yep, as in new in the box) Dura Ace 7403 32 hole hubs to a new pair of 650B Velocity A23 rims- the rear one is offset. According to Randos-in-the-know, these are supposed to be about the best/strongest modern 650B rim you can build today:





But we also know that rims do not a wheelset make, and that a neat-O setup like this demands quality. That's why I opted for Compass Babyshoe Pass 650 X 42 tires with Schwalbe inner tubes:





And, finally (well, for today, anyway) you gotta have gears to get around. This 10 speed Shimano 12-34 cassette ought to do the trick:





Tomorrow: cables, housing and finishing touches!
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It is very hard to recognize in comparison to what I picked up for you on that windy below zero day last winter. To be honest I thought you would be disappointed with it, but considering it was straight I didn't try to talk you out of it.

I wondered how you would deal with the rust on all the cable eyes and around the bottom bracket. I see it was all filed off (beats OA).

Looking very top shelf now, and digging all the new braze ons!
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Can't wait for the finished product. Wheels/tires are perfect.
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Leave it to Schwinn to make headbadges easy to remove and replace. One less aggravation!

Looking spectacular, frame and parts.
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Super pretty but...

10 speed with friction?
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Yep, 10 speed friction is the bees knees. Small lever movements get you into the next gear change, HG cassette with a 10 speed chain shifts effortlessly. I tried this maybe 6-7 years ago and loved it, always regretted selling that bike.

If you ride friction a lot, it takes maybe 5 minutes to get it down pat.

Meanwhile, got it all cabled up today, put on the decals, hand painted the lug lining. Had to do some bottom bracketage to get the chainline set up correctly, but it now shifts up and down thru the triple pretty well. Have some braking issues to resolve, but parts are on the way!
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Yep, that's a 50/34/24 triple on a set of vintage Deore crank arms, courtesy of our own Neal Lerner.
Hmm... be prepared for adjustments to that setup. A smaller-than-usual middle chainring can mean that the front derailleur will push the chain onto the big chainring when trying to shift from the granny to the middle. These chainrings might work with older chains (which were stiffer laterally). With a flexible 10-speed chain and an old front derailleur... I don't know. I'd be prepared to change the middle to a 38 tooth. Another possibility it a Shimano 36-tooth ring with "Hyperdrive" pick-up teeth... but that may not work with 10-speed chain.

As I said- hmmm...
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