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Old 03-22-17, 12:04 PM
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Identifiyng a Peugeot Model

Hello, i have this frame i want to sell, but I want to know the model first. It's a very common frame, although I don't know which one it is.

Some help would be very appreciated!

















It has BCM (Bocama) lugs in the front and also Simplex dropouts in the back.
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PA-10, c.1975-78 - there was a recent thread about one of these, which appears to be the only Peugeot they built with these Bocama type 14 pattern II lugs - the PR-10 was the next model up with a 531 main triangle and without the brazed-on shift boss or cable housing stops on the downtube. The decal scheme points to the years.
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Don't know what it is, but forged Simplex dropouts could mean at least a mid-level model bike. The lugs do not look that plain either. Definitely not a UO8...
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Originally Posted by rustystrings61 View Post
PA-10, c.1975-78 - there was a recent thread about one of these, which appears to be the only Peugeot they built with these Bocama type 14 pattern II lugs - the PR-10 was the next model up with a 531 main triangle and without the brazed-on shift boss or cable housing stops on the downtube. The decal scheme points to the years.
Yes.


The tubes and fork are high tensile steel.
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The PA-10s I have seen pix of were comparable to the Gitane Interclub - a "club racer" with basic hi-ten tubing built with the racier angles of their pricier stable mates, Mafac Racers, Simplex derailleurs, Normandy Sport large-flange q/r hubs with Mavic Sport eyelet-less tubular rims, basic pedals and steel seat posts, etc. All the ones I have seen photos of had cottered steel cranks, but they may have gone to the same cotterless cranks the U0-10 featured, I just don't know enough about that model.

For what it is worth, in the 40-odd years I have been a cyclist in the Southeast, I can't remember ever actually encountering a PA-10 down here. Lots of U0 and A0 8s and 18s, a surprising number of PX-10s, fewer PR-10s - but never an actual in the steel PA-10. Did they make that many of them, or was it a price point that was skipped by U.S. importers and buyers?
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Mine is the only one I've seen in real life.


The owner of the shop where I worked refused to order them.
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Thank you so much for all the help!
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There is a crack in the paint on the down tube just below the lug to the head tube. Make sure the frame isn't bent there.
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Originally Posted by rustystrings61 View Post
PA-10, c.1975-78 - there was a recent thread about one of these, which appears to be the only Peugeot they built with these Bocama type 14 pattern II lugs - the PR-10 was the next model up with a 531 main triangle and without the brazed-on shift boss or cable housing stops on the downtube. The decal scheme points to the years.
Which of those years had half chrome stays?




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In my experience, Peugeot reserved half-chrome stays for high-end frames, such as PX-10s. Even the PR/PKN series had painted stays
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Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
Mine is the only one I've seen in real life.


The owner of the shop where I worked refused to order them.
I don't blame him. We stocked and sold very few PA-10s at Bikecology. Tubular tires on a UO-8 quality frame, albeit one with an integral derailleur hanger, more nimble handling, and a fairly sporty geometry, were always a tough sell. The 14-21 freewheel didn't win many friends, either, so most customers (of PX-10s and PR-10s, as well) opted to swap in a 14-26 or a 14-28.
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On many other topics repetitive threads can be bothersome, but I happily scroll through every "help ID'ing this Peugeot" thread. It's one of my favorite things about this forum. I always learn something.
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Originally Posted by John E View Post
In my experience, Peugeot reserved half-chrome stays for high-end frames, such as PX-10s. Even the PR/PKN series had painted stays

But I provided pictures of a PA-10 with half chrome stays. You've seen it before.


"Tres interessant -- thanks for the education. In the early 1970s, with the previous decal pattern, chrome stays were reserved for the PX-10, and everything else had painted stays. As your frame demonstrates, some of the lesser frames got chrome stays in the mid-1970s."

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Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
But I provided pictures of a PA-10 with half chrome stays. You've seen it before.


"Tres interessant -- thanks for the education. In the early 1970s, with the previous decal pattern, chrome stays were reserved for the PX-10, and everything else had painted stays. As your frame demonstrates, some of the lesser frames got chrome stays in the mid-1970s."
Thank you -- I had forgotten about yours. This is part of what makes Peugeot history detective work interesting (and sometimes frustrating ).
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It seems Peugeot didn't see making their lineup understandable wasn't a major priority. And now we're almost obsessing over it. You just can't stop curiosity.
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The PA-10 with chromed stays is the ONLY one I have ever seen. It almost feels like someone at Peugeot in the 70s said, "Zhomeday z'ere weel be a t'ing zey call ze intairnet, and les Americaines weel obsess ovair zese velos we sell in so many varieties with absolutely zero model markings ... Jacques! Rene! Quick, throw zat one into the chroming line! Take ZAT, you classification-minded connoisseurs de cyclisme!"

The stock party line I always heard (and repeated) was that PX-10s and PY-10s had chromed rear socks, but PR-10s and everything under did not. Just like early Raleigh Competitions with non-Reynolds stays had painted rear ends, or the Gitane TdFs built after the foil decal/Mel Pinto era with non-Reynolds stays did not have chromed ends.

But, no. Oh, nooooo. Somebody has to find an outlier just to stir us all up and rattle our cages .... cool bike, though. '75-78 by the decals, or have I been sniffing the Tubasti again?
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Originally Posted by rustystrings61 View Post
The PA-10 with chromed stays is the ONLY one I have ever seen. It almost feels like someone at Peugeot in the 70s said, "Zhomeday z'ere weel be a t'ing zey call ze intairnet, and les Americaines weel obsess ovair zese velos we sell in so many varieties with absolutely zero model markings ... Jacques! Rene! Quick, throw zat one into the chroming line! Take ZAT, you classification-minded connoisseurs de cyclisme!"


AHAHAHAHAHAH
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I don't blame him. We stocked and sold very few PA-10s at Bikecology. Tubular tires on a UO-8 quality frame, albeit one with an integral derailleur hanger, more nimble handling, and a fairly sporty geometry, were always a tough sell. The 14-21 freewheel didn't win many friends, either, so most customers (of PX-10s and PR-10s, as well) opted to swap in a 14-26 or a 14-28.
And to show there is always a customer for *anything*, back in the early 70s I saved my hard earned cash so that the very first upgrade I did to my AO-8 was to relace the wheels with Mavic Red Labels to mount tubulars....If only I had known about the PA10! And I eventually replaced the 14-28 cluster with a Regina 14-24 (I think it was)....
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A PA-10 with upgrades and fat tubulars is not a bad ride at all.

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@Grand Bois, each time I see your upgraded and refined PA-10 Peugeot I want to hit eBay and the FS sub-forum here with a search filter of "Peugeot PA- 10". That white beauty invites you to take a nice ride and enjoy those tires and its handling for a couple of hours. Chapeau sir!

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It seems Peugeot didn't see making their lineup understandable wasn't a major priority. And now we're almost obsessing over it. You just can't stop curiosity.
Not long ago I thought "what's the big deal about Peugeot models?" Then I acquired a couple Pugs.
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I don't know much but I'm thinking that is a UO8 1974. I have 4 of the uo18
https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/Brochures%20USA/Peugeot%201974%20USA%20Brochure/Peugeot%201974%20USA%20Brochure%20Page%208.jpg
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Take it back take it back not a 74

Sorry sorry getting my decal pictures mixed up. The pics of OP is not a 1974 but still possibly UO8
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Sorry sorry getting my decal pictures mixed up. The pics of OP is not a 1974 but still possibly UO8
A U0-8 would have stamped dropouts and "Aztec" lugs. The frame in question has forged Simplex dropouts and Bocama lugs.
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Need help identifying bike Peugeot

Bought his bike for ten dollars, no lie 10$ at a thrift shop. Dot know much about bikes but knew it was worth at least that. Pretty dirty now but looking forward to fixing it up. ANy help on identifying it, model, value, etc Would be nice. Pictures attached.
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