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Old 03-30-17, 07:18 AM
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ISO 60+cm tourer

forgive me if I should be able to find this myself, I searched the C&V for sale and am unable to find anything. I come from newer road bikes so you may roll your eyes at some of the following.


What I need is a tourer for the following:
1. paved roads only - 4-10 day tours
2. 6'4" 34" inseam guy 225-250 lbs (depends on when in riding season)
3. able to haul 30 ish lbs of gear - rear panniers & smallish front rack able to attach
4. long enough chainstay to prevent heel strike on panniers
5. more upright geometry - I know I can change a stem




and the all important budget...


If I buy a new tourer I am looking at a Surly LHT $1275


I like the idea of vintage for two reasons:
1. save some cash up front and upgrade components as I see fit
2. knowledge gained by upgrading components


I live in Central Illinois, so if you see something that may interest me, please paste it here or direct me towards it.


If I find nothing fitting my current need I will likely buy the LHT.


Thanks in advance...

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Price is solid and size looks right but you may need to change out some parts for touring

https://stlouis.craigslist.org/bik/6059316185.html

Killer used expedition but a shade too small and the price is on the high side:

https://stlouis.craigslist.org/bik/6049565810.html

Here is a specialized AWOL that looks to be around your size and the price is solid. This one is worth a drive to the quad cities area:

https://quadcities.craigslist.org/bik/6013905933.html
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The LHT will be a fine touring bike. So would a Trek 520. But what I'll focus on is what to avoid. That's any bike that claims to be a cycle cross/touring one. Like a Bianchi Volpe. Their wheelbase/chain stays run too short and the Bb gets much higher then a touring bike wants, especially for a big footed guy who wants a more upright position. Andy.
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rperkins146, The problem with looking for a touring bike is that, unlike roadies, touring bike owners tend to keep them forever, well almost forever.

Look for brands rather than something labeled as "touring". Sometimes a keyword like "rack" can help. When I think of quality vintage touring bike brands I look for Cannondale, Miyata, and Bridgestone and any other brand you maybe interested in.

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PS You might want to PM [MENTION=210172]Ronno6[/MENTION] . He's a tall man also, who possibly has some tips for you, primarily regarding Cannondales.

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I don't know anything about this particular frame, but Cannondale STs are nice and this one is big. https://nashville.craigslist.org/bik/6062622227.html
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
I don't know anything about this particular frame, but Cannondale STs are nice and this one is big. https://nashville.craigslist.org/bik/6062622227.html
A rare find too (non canti) at a great price.

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Old 03-30-17, 08:14 AM
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Here is a specialized AWOL that looks to be around your size and the price is solid. This one is worth a drive to the quad cities area:

https://quadcities.craigslist.org/bik/6013905933.html[/QUOTE]





I like this, although I have one concern that I would like others to weigh in on.
1. it lists this at Large which is 56-58cm ( I'm concerned it might be a little small)
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
I don't know anything about this particular frame, but Cannondale STs are nice and this one is big. https://nashville.craigslist.org/bik/6062622227.html


I like it, but not having a stock of parts to pull from or a donor bike, I think this one could get pricey for me.
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Not cheap, but top of the line vintage tourer from a top manufacturer.
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Being a tall rider I have been a huge (no pun intended) of Cannondale bikes since my first one in 1986. In my size they offer the most efficient frame design, without incurring the harshness of which smaller riders complained. The steel fork and longer wheelbase make for a nice riding and handling machine.
The only shortcomings of the early 'Dales are the lack of cantilever brakes (for most models) and 126mm rear dropout spacing.
Today's double pivot brakes really handle the braking issues quite capably, and I have several workarounds for adding 8,9,or 10 speed drivetrains without forcing the dropouts apart.
My most ridden ST started life as an 27" ST500 which I had powder coated and all new components added to make a super tourer. But my favorite is a 27" T1000 from 1993 or so that is a rare find, as it has 135mm dropouts and canti's. Super bike but super rare.
There are many Cannlodale touring bikes in 60 (X-Large) to 63cm (jumbo) bikes out there, but the price really begins to climb the newer the machine.
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I like this, although I have one concern that I would like others to weigh in on.
1. it lists this at Large which is 56-58cm ( I'm concerned it might be a little small)[/QUOTE]

On the current AWOL, the stack height for a Large frame is 64cm. Thats pretty significant and could fit you well(who knows for sure without a try).
Yes, the frame size is small, but its a slanted top tube which throws off all traditional geometry measurements.
Seems worth a look, even though it isnt close. Davenport is beautiful in the spring!...or is that in the fall?...hmm.


https://desmoines.craigslist.org/bik/6057282923.html
Here is one local to me- and '87(i think based on color) Schwinn Voyageur.
https://sandro.knot.org/blog/wp-conte...comparison.pdf


Needing 63/64cm frames and being 230#, I havent found steel touring bikes from the 80s to be too 'whippy' or 'noodly'. My current full touring bike was made by Fuji in '90 and its plenty reliable and stiff enough to not flex too much when out of the saddle climbing. I mention this just because that is whats typically complained about with older frames.

A new Surly LHT or something from Jamis, Specialized, REI, or Kona thats steel will almost for sure flex less as the tubing will be larger diameter than most 80's touring bikes. They will also most likely be overbuilt- meaning able to handle way more than you need.
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Almost new AWOL with racks and 2 sets of Ortliebs for $900. Pretty good deal.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr


https://desmoines.craigslist.org/bik/6057282923.html
Here is one local to me- and '87(i think based on color) Schwinn Voyageur.

I don't know about how sizing works for big peoples- but the 87 Voyageur is a pretty sweet touring bike.

The price is steep- but the Trek 720 is a whole lot of badass- and with those upgrades- IMO- it's totally worth it, but it's a big outlay.
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That trek 720 with PW hubs and bb is way better than anything new imo. The modern tourers tend to have long sloping tt and shorter st. I found the geometry on modern Raleigh Sojourn to be uncomfortable past 2 hours despite multiple adjustments/stems, etc whereas I can ride the 1985 t700 all day. It just varies based on body build and riding style and you sometimes will not know until your first multi hour ride whether a bike truly fits comfortably for touring.
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
I don't know anything about this particular frame, but Cannondale STs are nice and this one is big. https://nashville.craigslist.org/bik/6062622227.html
That'd be a good 'un. 1986 or later model.
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I'm in the process of decommissioning this '75 Schwinn Voyageur II (made by Panasonic) frameset. All chrome under the paint. I'd be glad to let it go for a very reasonable price. IIRC it is about 61-63cm. Sorry I don't have any better pictures at the moment. I can include certain components. PM if you are interested.

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Originally Posted by rperkins146
Here is a specialized AWOL that looks to be around your size and the price is solid. This one is worth a drive to the quad cities area:

https://quadcities.craigslist.org/bik/6013905933.html




I like this, although I have one concern that I would like others to weigh in on.
1. it lists this at Large which is 56-58cm ( I'm concerned it might be a little small)[/QUOTE]

I'm 6 foot 5 and I ride a 58 cm cannondale Evo. You may be surprised.
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Like I said on the previous thread you started on this subject, don't buy anything until you ride a big (63cm+) Cannondale ST.

You're a tall, heavy guy and pretty much any steel frame your size is going to feel a little noodly if you're also packing a load for camping.
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You would have to arrange shipping with a local bike shop, etc but this voyager is a good deal/looking for offers. Has everything you would want in a classic mid 80s tourer.
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You would have to arrange shipping with a local bike shop, etc but this voyager is a good deal/looking for offers. Has everything you would want in a classic mid 80s tourer.
If I didn't already have a nice tourer, I'd have driven over and picked that up......
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I have a 63cm Cannondale SC600 frame fork headset bottom bracket if you want to go that route.
I think it might be a tad to big for me. I dont think its a tour model though
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Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman
Like I said on the previous thread you started on this subject, don't buy anything until you ride a big (63cm+) Cannondale ST.

You're a tall, heavy guy and pretty much any steel frame your size is going to feel a little noodly if you're also packing a load for camping.
This is sound advice.
Touring is about spending long hours in the saddle, and you should strive to be as comfortable as possible.
I do not know how you are proportioned, but at 6'5' I would recommend at least trying a Cannondale 63cm (or 25" in touringspeak.) They are not only comfortable, but also very efficient. You may even benefit from a 27" or 68.5cm framed ST if you can find one.

Good luck.
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