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Old 04-02-17, 02:56 PM
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Vintage Peugeot - buying advice

Hi everyone,

I am looking to buy a vintage Peugeot bike to ride to work in the city.

Please find below links to various offers I found.

I would be grateful if you could give me some advice on which one you would buy and why.

On another note, I am 6 foot 1 (186cm), could someone please advise in what range the frame length should be ? I am not used to ride "race" bikes and will mostly use it in the city.

Peugeot Super Sport


Peugeot Tourmalet (year ??)


Peugeot Ventoux PE300


Peugeot prn 10e 1978

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Frame sizes:

Supersport: 57cm , Carbolite 103 frame, 28mm tires

Tourmalet: 57-61cm

Ventoux: 54cm

PRN 10 E: 58cm, 28mm tires


Many thanks !
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Ya got big hills? Rainy weather? Need to carry a load?

The bikes you've shown address those concerns to different levels, so it'll help to know your riding conditions and needs.
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Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman
Ya got big hills? Rainy weather? Need to carry a load?

The bikes you've shown address those concerns to different levels, so it'll help to know your riding conditions and needs.
Hi, thanks for your reply !

No big hills but some height difference, 55meters up to go to work over 1.5 mile trip.

Often rain in autumn/winter but do not intend to ride a lot in the rain (will take a car then).

Don't really need to carry a load.
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If it fits I'd go with the Tourmelet and put some 700x28 Kevlar Pannaracer Pasela or equivalent tires on it.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
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If it fits I'd go with the Tourmelet and put some 700x28 Kevlar Pannaracer Pasela or equivalent tires on it.
Thanks for the advice ! This bike is advertised at 250euros (approx 280 dollars) is this too expensive ?

Furthermore, do you know which year this bike is from ? I cannot find it in any brochure/catalog.

Many thanks !
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Always good to have guards on a city bike and a front rack like the first one, too small for you though I think. I like the colour of that one. The last one is probably a better bike - size stylers chime in?
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I am guessing but I think late '80s maybe, I can't see a lot of detail in the pic but judging from what Ithink the RD is that seems right.


$280... That depends on what the bike is, I think for that much (depending on your market) the bike would have to be a ChroMoly frame and fork with alloy wheels. If it a High Tensile steel frame it may not have sold for much more than that.


Anyone else?
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The first bike--the supersport--with fenders is likely the most capable commuter (there is a lot to be said for fenders and clearance for fatter tires in a commuter) but it may be too small for you. It can be difficult to determine size from pictures. If the frame size on the supersport is 60 cm or so, it should work.

The last one is the pick of the litter in terms of quality and looks like it will fit. It has a reynolds 531 double butted main frame and hi tensile steel fork and stays I believe. It's actually more of an old school racing bike and it can make a fine fast commuter. I'd just run as fat a tire as it can take; it looks like it has new rubber on it and those look like reasonably fat tires.

These bikes varied a bit country by country. Here is a catalog for the US on that bike, https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/Broch...RN10E_UO10.jpg

It shows 27 x 1 and 1/4 inch tires on the PRN 10 which strikes me as a bit odd for a road bike. But in any case, these bikes came with mafac "racer" centerpulls which likely means you have room for a decently fat tire.

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At 6'1" I think you're likely to be most comfortable on frames with a seat tube length of 58-60 cm. Of the 4 photos, I think only the second one, the Tourmelet, is in that range. I'm 6' even and fit great on 58 cm frames. I had to do some work to get comfortable on a 56 cm frame (longer cranks, seat post with a bit of set back, saddle with longish rails). The first and last pictured bikes are not only small frames for you (I think), but both seem to have fairly short stems, which will accentuate the smaller size of the frames.

Fenders are definitely great on commuters. There are fenders that can be fitted on a road bike without fender eyelets, if you have the clearance between seat tube and rear tire, and between fork crown and top of front tire.

If you're thinking you will want a rack and regular fenders and somewhat wide tires, then you may need to keep looking to find a frame the size of the Tourmalet, but with the elements the Super Sport has.
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FWIW, the older bikes have what today are considered "non-standard" parts, and should be avoided for an every-day bike.
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Originally Posted by AlexCyclistRoch
FWIW, the older bikes have what today are considered "non-standard" parts, and should be avoided for an every-day bike.
They all look old to me with down tube shifters or are you referring to the BB and stem sizes? Regardless anything more than a day old is obsolete and you'd be lucky to get parts off the shelf. Find a co op or shop that 'gets' your bike for parts when needed.
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With your height, the two blue Peugeots are too small, they look like 56cm frames. The Ventoux may be too small as well, but hard to judge from the angle.

I think the Tourmelat may be early 1990s, as it says CAD on the frame for computer aided design, is absent of rainbow graphics, has a unicrown fork, and the frame is TIG welded.

Tires look a bit tired and I would take a deduction for a new set.
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Originally Posted by bikemig
The first bike--the supersport--with fenders is likely the most capable commuter (there is a lot to be said for fenders and clearance for fatter tires in a commuter) but it may be too small for you. It can be difficult to determine size from pictures. If the frame size on the supersport is 60 cm or so, it should work.

The last one is the pick of the litter in terms of quality and looks like it will fit. It has a reynolds 531 double butted main frame and hi tensile steel fork and stays I believe. It's actually more of an old school racing bike and it can make a fine fast commuter. I'd just run as fat a tire as it can take; it looks like it has new rubber on it and those look like reasonably fat tires.

These bikes varied a bit country by country. Here is a catalog for the US on that bike,

It shows 27 x 1 and 1/4 inch tires on the PRN 10 which strikes me as a bit odd for a road bike. But in any case, these bikes came with mafac "racer" centerpulls which likely means you have room for a decently fat tire.
Frame sizes:

Supersport: 57cm , Carbolite 103 frame, 28mm tires

Tourmalet: 57-61cm

Ventoux: 54cm

PRN 10 E: 58cm, 28mm tires

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Originally Posted by Tygra89
Frame sizes:

Supersport: 57cm , Carbolite 103 frame, 28mm tires

Tourmalet: 57-61cm

Ventoux: 54cm

PRN 10 E: 58cm, 28mm tires
The ventoux looks larger than 54 cm. The Tourmalet is likely the best in terms of size but that size range can't be right. It's likely a 60 cm (bikes don't come in a size range), measured from the center of the bottom bracket to the top of the top tube (where the seatpost is)(it can also and alternatively be measured to the center of the top tube). $280 is high for that bike. European prices I imagine are higher (and perhaps quite a bit higher) than the US so that price may be OK but that's about the price I'd want to pay for the PRN 10E. That bike though is likely on the small side for you by 2 cm. You can test ride it. Get the saddle adjusted properly and see what you think.
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Originally Posted by bikemig
The ventoux looks larger than 54 cm. The Tourmalet is likely the best in terms of size but that size range can't be right. It's likely a 60 cm (bikes don't come in a size range), measured from the center of the bottom bracket to the top of the top tube (where the seatpost is)(it can also and alternatively be measured to the center of the top tube). $280 is high for that bike. European prices I imagine are higher (and perhaps quite a bit higher) than the US so that price may be OK but that's about the price I'd want to pay for the PRN 10E. That bike though is likely on the small side for you by 2 cm. You can test ride it. Get the saddle adjusted properly and see what you think.
Thanks for your reply !

Seller of Ventoux mentioned 54cm but he did not sounded very convincing.

As for the Tourmalet, 58-61cm is what is mentioned on the add, but I agree that bikes don't come in a size range.

Which one would you choose between the Super Sport and the PRN 10E ? They are offered at the same price: 225€ (=250$).
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Originally Posted by Tygra89
Thanks for your reply !

Seller of Ventoux mentioned 54cm but he did not sounded very convincing.

As for the Tourmalet, 58-61cm is what is mentioned on the add, but I agree that bikes don't come in a size range.

Which one would you choose between the Super Sport and the PRN 10E ? They are offered at the same price: 225€ (=250$).
That's tough. Both the bikes fit me but I'm 179 cm. That price is not bad for the PRN 10E and it has the better frame; the price is OK for the supersport and it's the better commuter with fenders and fatter tires. I'd opt for the PRN 10E given that choice as long as you're OK commuting on 28c tires. It might well be able to take 32c tires which frankly is, I think, a better and more comfortable size for commuting. It is likely a better fit for you as well. That bike is a bit too large for me.
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Originally Posted by bikemig
That's tough. Both the bikes fit me but I'm 179 cm. That price is not bad for the PRN 10E and it has the better frame; the price is OK for the supersport and it's the better commuter with fenders and fatter tires. I'd opt for the PRN 10E given that choice as long as you're OK commuting on 28c tires. It might well be able to take 32c tires which frankly is, I think, a better and more comfortable size for commuting. It is likely a better fit for you as well. That bike is a bit too large for me.
Seller of the PRN 10E confirmed that 32mm tires will not fit. I guess this is the case for all race bikes ? 28mm max ?
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Seller of the PRN 10E confirmed that 32mm tires will not fit. I guess this is the case for all race bikes ? 28mm max ?
No, it's variable. 32c actually do fit on a lot of older racing bikes. This is a short wheelbase bike which probably explains why a 32c won't fit. 28c is a good size as well for commuting on good roads. If you go to the commuter section, people will argue back and forth on what is the best tire width for commuting. My preference is for a fatter tire (I commute on 26 x 1.75 tires) but a lot of people like the skinnier tires.

There are plenty of used bikes out there. You could just keep looking for something more like the supersport but in your size. Vintage mountain bikes--those with rigid forks--make terrific commuters also. Plus European bikes tend to be more practical than in the US since commuting is more common there.

Where are you located?
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Originally Posted by bikemig
No, it's variable. 32c actually do fit on a lot of older racing bikes. This is a short wheelbase bike which probably explains why a 32c won't fit. 28c is a good size as well for commuting on good roads. If you go to the commuter section, people will argue back and forth on what is the best tire width for commuting. My preference is for a fatter tire (I commute on 26 x 1.75 tires) but a lot of people like the skinnier tires.

There are plenty of used bikes out there. You could just keep looking for something more like the supersport but in your size. Vintage mountain bikes--those with rigid forks--make terrific commuters also. Plus European bikes tend to be more practical than in the US since commuting is more common there.

Where are you located?
I live in Brussels, and my commute is only 5klm round trip.
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The PRN 10 is the best of the lot but there have to be a ton of used bikes available in Brussels. Plus it rains in the low countries and not just a little bit so I'd get a bike that can take a 32c tire and a fender. Heck at that distance, you could just get a basic 3 speed with an enclosed chain cover. Those are awesome bikes for commuting. I lived in the Netherlands for a year, many moons ago.

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I agree you should keep looking for the right bike in the right size, since you're in a bike-rich environment. I think sellers are often wildly wrong about bike sizing, so learn to estimate the right size by the height of the head tube, and take a tape measure. Figure out through some test rides what range fits you (my bet is around 58-62 cm c-c), and measure yourself when you go see a bike. Always measure the same way (either center to center or center to top). The right bike will show up.

It's also cheaper to get a bike that has most of what you want, rather than getting a bike that fits, and then adding fenders, changing the saddle, getting new tubes and tires... All that adds up, unless you get a great deal on the bike itself.
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Originally Posted by Tygra89
Furthermore, do you know which year this bike is from ? I cannot find it in any brochure/catalog.
There's another like yours posted here, shown to be a 1991. Classic & Vintage/ Show your French bikes, pg.89


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