Any Cinelli experts?
04-03-17, 11:47 AM
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Any Cinelli experts?
I would like to privately discuss a bike with someone through emails. Thanks
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04-03-17, 11:57 AM
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There aren't any on this forum!
Not!
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04-03-17, 12:59 PM
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Geeze, why not discuss it with the Forum.......lots hear can always do with more info on Cinellis......
I guess we are not worthy?....
I guess we are not worthy?....
04-03-17, 02:43 PM
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Because he doesn't want to put anyone onto the sale!
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04-03-17, 02:46 PM
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Have modicum of experience with them. Owned two and serviced three others. Limited to the late fifties to early seventies period.
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Have modicum of experience with them. Owned two and serviced three others. Limited to the late fifties to early seventies period.
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04-03-17, 05:46 PM
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04-03-17, 06:05 PM
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04-03-17, 06:24 PM
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Claims it's a prototype. 1 of 4 made.
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04-03-17, 06:45 PM
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Well, that looks very nice. I have a hard time believing that Cinelli would be building in Reynolds tubing in that era, just sayin'...
04-03-17, 06:45 PM
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have a 57cm Cinelli prototype, full Campagnolo, Cinelli, Brooks, etc. In fact the only NON-original pieces are the brakes (it came with ****ty Deltas...and I'm a total Campy guy so for me to say they're ****ty they REALLY are!), the levers, pedals, and tires. It's technically a 1984 but as it's a prototype it never saw production. Cinelli dropped the concept for 3 reasons: the "it" material at the time was Aluminum, the contracted builder (Leto from Germany, if you're curious) didn't use Columbus steel (which Cinelli owned) but Reynolds 531, and finally the cost to manufacture exceeded the scope of the project...the frame took a critical amount of time to build; all of the cabling is internal! It ALWAYS draws attention. 4 were built, 2 red, 2 blue. I own red #2 a.k.a Red Race. The other red one had Cobalt brakes and fenders. It's a convertible rain bike. It can take fenders or up to a 32c tire. Cinelli never officially endorsed the build. It was scrapped before the trade shows and the bikes were supposed to be destroyed. Mine is the ONLY one known to be left.
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have a 57cm Cinelli prototype, full Campagnolo, Cinelli, Brooks, etc. In fact the only NON-original pieces are the brakes (it came with ****ty Deltas...and I'm a total Campy guy so for me to say they're ****ty they REALLY are!), the levers, pedals, and tires. It's technically a 1984 but as it's a prototype it never saw production. Cinelli dropped the concept for 3 reasons: the "it" material at the time was Aluminum, the contracted builder (Leto from Germany, if you're curious) didn't use Columbus steel (which Cinelli owned) but Reynolds 531, and finally the cost to manufacture exceeded the scope of the project...the frame took a critical amount of time to build; all of the cabling is internal! It ALWAYS draws attention. 4 were built, 2 red, 2 blue. I own red #2 a.k.a Red Race. The other red one had Cobalt brakes and fenders. It's a convertible rain bike. It can take fenders or up to a 32c tire. Cinelli never officially endorsed the build. It was scrapped before the trade shows and the bikes were supposed to be destroyed. Mine is the ONLY one known to be left.
Have you contacted Cinelli directly? They responded to a query I had. Don't see why they wouldn't answer your question. I used the email address on their website.
04-03-17, 07:14 PM
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It's an "aero" design prototype then if all the cabling's internal.......
The fork crown looks correct to be a Cinelli, and the chrome is mostly at the right places..... Curious though why they did not use their typical seatpost clamp design..... otherwise it looks really nice!
And best yet if it is indeed the only one left!
The fork crown looks correct to be a Cinelli, and the chrome is mostly at the right places..... Curious though why they did not use their typical seatpost clamp design..... otherwise it looks really nice!
And best yet if it is indeed the only one left!
04-03-17, 08:03 PM
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So no kind of serial or markings?
Might be able to narrow down the builder and try and find an email. For that obscure you would need some type of documentation to even consider it legit. Or it should just be priced as an unknown nice frame IMO.
Cinelli Framebuilders https://www.velo-retro.com/cinellitline.html
- Luigi Valsassina - lured away from Bianchi to begin production of Cinelli frames for Cino Cinelli in 1949. Previously Valsassina built frames for Fausto Coppi when he rode for Bianchi. Valsassina retired in 1980, a few years after Cino Cinelli's departure.
- Serafino Tomi - handled prep and cleanup work on the frames from 1975-80.
- Claudio Chirico - in the early 1980's involved in an arrangement with Andrea Cinelli to produce additional frames for Cinelli, including the Equipe model, to satisfy the North American market. Chirico had studied frame building under Luigi Valsassina for 11 years.
- Andrea Pesenti - built Cinelli frames starting with Luigi Valsassina's retirement in 1980. He was the first one to TIG weld frames for Cinelli (the initial CMX bmx frames and the first mountain bikes, then every Laser). He apparently built every Laser frame (including the reissue bikes).
- Mario Camilotto - built frames from 1988-91. Previously Camilotto had worked with Sante Pogliaghi as a frame builder from 1978-83.
- Giovanni Losa - Cinelli 'house' builder from the early 1990s till 2008.
Might be able to narrow down the builder and try and find an email. For that obscure you would need some type of documentation to even consider it legit. Or it should just be priced as an unknown nice frame IMO.
Cinelli Framebuilders https://www.velo-retro.com/cinellitline.html
- Luigi Valsassina - lured away from Bianchi to begin production of Cinelli frames for Cino Cinelli in 1949. Previously Valsassina built frames for Fausto Coppi when he rode for Bianchi. Valsassina retired in 1980, a few years after Cino Cinelli's departure.
- Serafino Tomi - handled prep and cleanup work on the frames from 1975-80.
- Claudio Chirico - in the early 1980's involved in an arrangement with Andrea Cinelli to produce additional frames for Cinelli, including the Equipe model, to satisfy the North American market. Chirico had studied frame building under Luigi Valsassina for 11 years.
- Andrea Pesenti - built Cinelli frames starting with Luigi Valsassina's retirement in 1980. He was the first one to TIG weld frames for Cinelli (the initial CMX bmx frames and the first mountain bikes, then every Laser). He apparently built every Laser frame (including the reissue bikes).
- Mario Camilotto - built frames from 1988-91. Previously Camilotto had worked with Sante Pogliaghi as a frame builder from 1978-83.
- Giovanni Losa - Cinelli 'house' builder from the early 1990s till 2008.
04-03-17, 08:19 PM
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I don't understand.
1. Cinelli could have had anyone build their frames but they went with a German builder who, despite taking their money, wouldn't use Columbus tubing for a 'contract build'?
2. "the frame took a critical amount of time to build" Why? what was so revolutionary about it/them?
It is a pretty bike but I agree he should try and get some proof. Any other pics? I am curious ablout the shifters and brake levers, they don't look like C-Rec to me.
1. Cinelli could have had anyone build their frames but they went with a German builder who, despite taking their money, wouldn't use Columbus tubing for a 'contract build'?
2. "the frame took a critical amount of time to build" Why? what was so revolutionary about it/them?
It is a pretty bike but I agree he should try and get some proof. Any other pics? I am curious ablout the shifters and brake levers, they don't look like C-Rec to me.
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The possibility of this bike being a Cinelli = 0.0001 %. The possibility of proving it is a Cinelli = 0.000001 %.
By 1994, Colombo had full control of Cinelli, as well as 3TTT, Columbus and a few lesser companies. He was one of the biggest supplier of frame building components in the world, as well as one of the larger tubing suppliers. As Bianchigril has written, under what logic would Colombo go to a foreign supplier and allow non Cinelli components be used? Why would Cinelli even consider such a frame when they were already selling their own models well and were also looking towards the Laser as the future design direction and to the Rampichino models as future market?
By 1994, Colombo had full control of Cinelli, as well as 3TTT, Columbus and a few lesser companies. He was one of the biggest supplier of frame building components in the world, as well as one of the larger tubing suppliers. As Bianchigril has written, under what logic would Colombo go to a foreign supplier and allow non Cinelli components be used? Why would Cinelli even consider such a frame when they were already selling their own models well and were also looking towards the Laser as the future design direction and to the Rampichino models as future market?