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Old 04-06-17, 09:15 PM
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Is this decal columbus tubing?

I bought is vintage Cramerotti road bike and it had this decal for the tubing and i was wondering what level of tubing this is. Any info would be great .
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No. It's EXACTLY what it says.

Falck tubing made of a carbon/manganese alloy. Falck was another Italian tubing maker. Their stuff was good, but they never had the kind of PR that Columbus managed. Here's a bit more info about them.
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Can you show more pics? I'm surprised that Cramerotti (Canadian) would have built (or commissioned) something from Falck tubing,even tho the decal tells us this is the "lightweight" series of Falck tubing (so the "premium set", I suppose). Even tho this has Emilio Bozzi's name on the decal he was just the distributor for Falck tubing, not necessarily anything to do with the frame itself.
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The subject frame is Cramerotti's base model, typically marketed as the "Special". It sold for $250.00 CDN in 1988. They could also be purchased as a complete bicycle, typically with a mid-range Camapgnolo/Ogmega/Modolo mix.

My understanding is that the Falck SL tubeset was a plain gauge, carbon-manganese tubeset, roughly equivalent to Columbus Aelle, as these frames were less expensive than Cramerotti's Aelle frames. The seat post diameter would be the best indicator of the grade.
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Thanks for the info guys the seT post is a 26.6 so any idea on what quality the frame could be ?
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Interesting name. I wonder if it was adapted from Cramer, a Jewish name.
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Originally Posted by pinch1967 View Post
Thanks for the info guys the seT post is a 26.6 so any idea on what quality the frame could be ?
Assuming the typical, nominal, 0.2mm seat tube to post clearance favoured by the Italians and a correctly sized post, the tube wall thickness would be 0.9mm. This is slightly thicker/heavier than Columbus Aelle and the equivalent of Columbus Zeta, though Zeta was hi-tensile steel. So, it uses the wall thickness of Zeta but the stronger CMn alloy of Aelle. Frames with this tubeset, from brands like Cramerotti, would have been considered mid-range in the early 1980s, but lower mid-range in the late 1980s.
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Thanks T-MAR for the the great info !
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
Interesting name. I wonder if it was adapted from Cramer, a Jewish name.
Reportedly, it was Kramer, before they moved to Italy during the Great War. Based on that, It sounds like they may have been refugees from one of the Balkan countries, possibly Serbia.
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Originally Posted by pinch1967 View Post
Thanks T-MAR for the the great info !
You're welcome, The pictures appear to confirm a lower mid-range model. The derailleurs and brakeset are mid-range Campagnolo, either Triomphe or Victory but I can't tell which without better photos. The crankset isn't either, so I'm assuming it's another brand, possibly Ofmega or Gipemme. I am surprised to see large flange hubs, so there is a possibility that it was an owner build or frankenbike.

It's almost certainly a late 1980s model. Campagnolo Triomphe and Victory came out in late 1984 for the 1985 model year and Giuseppe Cramerotti didn't open La Bicicletta in Vancouver until June 1984. Both Triomphe and Victory were discontinued by 1990.

As stated previouly, the mid-range Camapgnolo parts combined with other Italian components is typical of the late 1980s Cramerotti Special. This was the lowest model that bore the Cramerotti brand.
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