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Allez SE - It's a HIT - It's a miss....

Old 04-10-17, 09:22 AM
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Allez SE - It's a HIT - It's a miss....

I've always had my eye out for an old, red Allez - just like everybody else in the Breaking Away generation, right?
But they're always priced above this bottom feeder's head.
My Allez Epic CF and even my Tesch Team Allez STILL aren't red.
Woke up this morning and this had just been posted, one picture, and that was one of those where the seller walks up two feet from the offside and takes a picture looking down. I could tell from the Allez graphic on the downtube that it was an older one.
Texted about the size. "It is my brother's, he's 6', I think it's a 50"
Well, the best deals come from the ignorant, and this was a deal. So I headed out at daybreak.
I thought it was too small, and I was right. The search continues. I still want to figure out what year it is though.
Mishmash of components: Suntour, Sugino, Exage brakes and hubs, SRAM, American Classic seatpost. Dates are all over, had hope for the stem date, but it was unreadable.
Tubing decal is Special Series TOURING double butted. TOURING?!
I'd guess '86 but can't find a catalog anywhere.
Serial number is JS54053 Can anybody put a date on it?
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Old 04-10-17, 09:51 AM
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Nice find, I have been searching for one also.
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Old 04-10-17, 11:45 AM
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Its likely a 1986 Specialized Allez manufactured October 1985, per the asian serial number guide by T-Mar.

I have one just like it with a similar serial number: JS58411

Link to a catalog

Not sure about the "touring" tubing decal, mine says "special series racing double butted". Maybe they ran out of the regular decal
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Old 04-10-17, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuckk View Post
Serial number is JS54053 Can anybody put a date on it?
The frame was made by Miyata. The J is for 1981 for Miyata serial numbers. That is the year the frame was manufactured.
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Old 04-11-17, 06:26 AM
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The frame was made by Miyata. The J is for 1981 for Miyata serial numbers. That is the year the frame was manufactured.
Miyata didn't incorporate the second alpha character in their format until the 1985 model year. The format is consistent with that of an unidentified Japanese manufacturer and indicates a 1986 model. Dual bottle bosses and a pump peg do not pass a sanity check for 1981 but they are appropriate for 1986.

This is very much a frankenbike. There appears to be very few OEM components. Certainly, the cranks, rear derailleur, brakes and hubs are replacements.
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Old 04-11-17, 07:07 AM
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56cm?

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54 - I can't even pretend that it fits.
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Old 04-11-17, 11:41 AM
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That saddle alone is worth maybe $80.00.
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My Sequoia also had Specialized Touring Cro-Mo, but it makes more sense in that context. Replacement sticker, maybe?
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One of the specialized guys who actually went to Japan to arrange manufacture of these bikes said 2 interesting things in an interview, and I just don't remember who, but someone like Merz. 1. Those bikes were made in many different shops to meet demand. Miyata, National, etc... 2. The steel, while only indicaed as CroMo, was "very high quality." They probably did that to allow sourcing from different tube makers.
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Originally Posted by AngryFrankie View Post
That saddle alone is worth maybe $80.00.
Pulled the saddle and American Classic seatpost to put on my '87 Team Allez
But just because it seemed the right thing to do.

Something that took me by surprise is the "over the BB" shift cable guides. I thought everybody had them routed under by then.

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Old 04-11-17, 06:46 PM
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I've always had my eye out for an old, red Allez - just like everybody else in the Breaking Away generation, right?
Well maybe, but that bike was from American Flyers, not Breaking Away.

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Ups - brain fart!
My head kept asking me why an Italophile was riding an Allez.

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Old 04-12-17, 06:15 AM
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I was just going to say that. "American Flyers" directed by John Badham. Has the early Specialized Allez showcased. The on-camera bike shifting scenes was pretty high-tech then. The "Breaking Away" screen writer also worked on this one. cheers
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Enhanced note to self: Never post a message after buying a bike before 7am....
My recovery is telling me:
Masi - Breaking Away
Specialized Allez - American Flyers (Sannino too, Da?)
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Originally Posted by AngryFrankie View Post
1. Those bikes were made in many different shops to meet demand. Miyata, National, etc... 2. The steel, while only indicated as CroMo, was "very high quality." They probably did that to allow sourcing from different tube makers.
This is roughly what I was told by the Specialized dealer that sold me my Allez SE.

I purchased the frame in January 1987 as a complete bike (red of course). I was told that it was a left over 86 model. The build consisted of all Suntour Superb Pro, specialized crank, and nice Mavic rims laced to Specialized hubs. My last build variation was in all 105 with HED wheels, it's currently hanging in my bike shed as a frame set only.
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...Something that took me by surprise is the "over the BB" shift cable guides. I thought everybody had them routed under by then.
SBI was a little slow to convert to cable routing under the BB shell. The 1986 advertisements confirm that they were still routing over the BB shell on the Allez, Allez SE. Allez SE/SIS and Sequoia. 1986 SBI ATB ads also show cable routing over the BB shell.
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'86 Miyata 710 still utilizes over-BB cable routing.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
Miyata didn't incorporate the second alpha character in their format until the 1985 model year. The format is consistent with that of an unidentified Japanese manufacturer and indicates a 1986 model. Dual bottle bosses and a pump peg do not pass a sanity check for 1981 but they are appropriate for 1986.

This is very much a frankenbike. There appears to be very few OEM components. Certainly, the cranks, rear derailleur, brakes and hubs are replacements.
@T-Mar, you are correct. I have done some more research and this cannot be a 1981 Allez SE or Miyata built.

The Allez SE model was not made in 1981 from my research.
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