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Old 04-14-17, 09:54 AM
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So tell me -- a two pound - or even a four-to-six pound reduction in bike weight is going to compensate for my own 40-60 pound excessive rider weight???
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Sweet ride!
I'd love to see the original fork on it.
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Old 04-14-17, 11:07 AM
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I am a little surprised that a Columbus SL Frame set with Carbon Forks, Seat post and Bars can still weigh 20.6 lbs. You would think it should be more in the 19 lb. realm.
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I am a little surprised that a Columbus SL Frame set with Carbon Forks, Seat post and Bars can still weigh 20.6 lbs. You would think it should be more in the 19 lb. realm.
Alloy seatpost and this should be the slightly heavier SLX. I'm sure the wheels are a good bit of it. My Giordana is 19 1/2 with a steel fork and alloy bars.
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A beauty for sure. The yellow works nicely.

I've seen this shot a couple times...must ask: What rack are you using to (carefully) support all those bikes? I have two clusters of bikes in my garage that would look so much tidier if they were in racks this this. TIA Jim.

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Either the bike cave or under me on a ride!

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Old 04-14-17, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by billytwosheds View Post
A beauty for sure. The yellow works nicely.

I've seen this shot a couple times...must ask: What rack are you using to (carefully) support all those bikes? I have two clusters of bikes in my garage that would look so much tidier if they were in racks this this. TIA Jim.
They are all versions of this bike stand:

Racor PBS-2R Two-Bike Floor Bike Stand
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Originally Posted by Cougrrcj View Post
So tell me -- a two pound - or even a four-to-six pound reduction in bike weight is going to compensate for my own 40-60 pound excessive rider weight???
No, -- but light bikes are fun nonetheless
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Old 04-15-17, 07:24 PM
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Got the bike out for a short, cold and windy 10 miler and knocking out 40 miles on the Ventoux. Initial impressions are good. I was tired from the miles beforehand but still ran this up to speed easily the first couple of miles. Out of the saddle the bike felt light and quick reacting to me. The bars are too high though so I need to dig through my stash of stems to fix that. The RD was hunting around a bit in the middle gears under load. I imagine it just needs tweaking. I have to admit that I was worried about how this one would feel under me. I love the ride quality of both my Circuit and Prologue but had found the PDG Paramount to feel harsh on the rough, cracked, chipseal roads I ride. It felt pretty comfortable though so, whew! Doing 50 total miles on coffee and Krispie Kremes donuts means I really didn't have much to put into this test road. Hopefully tomorrow I can give it a more honest test and hopefully it'll be warm and calm.

On a side note, I will say the Ventoux is more comfortable with it's steel fork. But it's a more relaxed geometry with a 28mm tire up front running less pressure and sweet Brooks saddle. I built it up for comfort vs speed and that's what it delivers.
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Originally Posted by jamesdak View Post
Just got it in and am sorting it out today. I'll take it out for a short one today just to get a feel for it.

Supposed to be a 1987 repainted by Waterford. Rebuilt with a Dura Ace setup, the C.F. Fork, and C.F bars. We'll see if I keep those on or not. As pictured it's at 20 lbs and 6 Ozs. May try and source a lighter wheelset for it according to how the ones with it feel. Anyway, happy to get it and it's in pretty good shape. A few paint chips and some touchup but pretty much good in terms of paint. Functionally all seems fine.

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Where do you find this stuff? eBay? Craigslist?

It has been a couple years since my local Craigslist had something decent. And I check every day!
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A lot is through a local paper's classified site. Pretty active biking scene around SLC so I just have to be ready to act. My problem is the time it can take me since I'm a bit away in the mountains. Funny thing is that like 4 or 5 of my older rides all came with a labels from one specific SLC bike shop. I guess they stocked a bunch of good stuff back in the day.

The Paramount was a rare Ebay. I made an offer and surprisingly it was accepted. Also it looked rough and grubby in the pics. I couldn't tell if some was dirt or rust. So I asked the seller, he replied, cleaned it and sent better pics and all's good!

Right now locally there's a SL tubed 89 Giordana Scorpius with Campy that I bet could be bargained for. I'd be all over this if not just getting the Paramount.

Last week an mint looking, with tune up, new cables, etc Centurion Iron Man (the higher end one) sold for $125 and then showed back up (not fitting, supposedly) for $200.

People are pretty cool around here. Usually if I call and ask someone will hold a bike until I make the long drive. I do the same the rare times I sell one. Like the Pro Series 560 I moved on for a cheap price. Lots called but I held it for a girl who called first but was making a long drive to me.

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Originally Posted by jamesdak View Post
A lot is through a local paper's classified site. Pretty active biking scene around SLC so I just have to be ready to act. My problem is the time it can take me since I'm a bit away in the mountains. Funny thing is that like 4 or 5 of my older rides all came with a labels from one specific SLC bike shop. I guess they stocked a bunch of good stuff back in the day.

The Paramount was a rare Ebay. I made an offer and surprisingly it was accepted. Also it looked rough and grubby in the pics. I couldn't tell if some was dirt or rust. So I asked the seller, he replied, cleaned it and sent better pics and all's good!

Right now locally there's a SL tubed 89 Giordana Scorpius with Campy that I bet could be bargained for. I'd be all over this if not just getting the Paramount.

Last week an mint looking, with tune up, new cables, etc Centurion Iron Man (the higher end one) sold for $125 and then showed back up (not fitting, supposedly) for $200.

People are pretty cool around here. Usually if I call and ask someone will hold a bike until I make the long drive. I do the same the rare times I sell one. Like the Pro Series 560 I moved on for a cheap price. Lots called but I held it for a girl who called first but was making a long drive to me.
You're lucky! How much you pay for that Paramount?
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Old 04-16-17, 07:15 AM
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You're lucky! How much you pay for that Paramount?
Too much, lol!
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Just a bit of an update as I sort this out. Flipped the the stem around to get it to my usual fit position. I got lucky and the length is good for where I need it. Then I swapped in my old Handbuilt Zen Cyclery wheels. Oh and added two bottle cages and the Garmin mount. Weight wise this is now at 19 lbs 7 ozs. Once I source another Fizik saddle for it and a CF seatpost it should be a few ounces lighter even. Not that any of that really matters except for the wheels. Those will make it feel so much more alive on the road. I measured the two wheelsets as I made the swap. The total saving with the new wheels is 21 ozs. Not bad!

The bike was used a few days ago with the old wheels on a 25 mile ride. It felt really good even on the bad sections of road. Really close overall to my favorite bikes. I still think several of the steel forked rides handle the really rough stuff better in terms of compliance. But this seems to work really well. I'll reserve total judgement until I can get a perfectly calm day to shake it out honestly. And a climb and fast descent or two on it.


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Thanks for the update. I was wondering if you are going to change things out to the steel fork and see how everything weighs out and any noticeable ride difference?
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Thanks for the update. I was wondering if you are going to change things out to the steel fork and see how everything weighs out and any noticeable ride difference?
Maybe in the winter, right now free time is for riding the bikes as much as I can. Any maintenance is just what has to happen.

I will say that after a couple of rides I feel like this fork rides much like my preferred Giordana XL Super's Eco steel fork. I took it over my bad mile stretch of beat up road twice the other day and it did really well. Better than the C.F. fork on the Tourmelet or the Lynskey it seemed. But it could be a combination of things. All I know is it felt good. Hopefully tomorrow will be dry and I can get it back out.
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For posterity, I thought I had updated this thread when I finished setting up this bike but I guess not. The bike is not an even 19 lbs as pictured below.



As the year progressed and I got more miles on this and other bikes I can make a better comparision. It is a fast, well rounded ride. But I seemed to be able to get more avg speed on rides between 20-30 so miles on the PDG Paramount, the 87 Circuit, and the Greg Lemond Maillot Jaune. Something in the rear on this feels a bit flexy when really working it and you seem to lose a tiny bit of efficiency. On all out sprints and also falls off from the top end speed I can get out of the Circuit and the PDG Series Paramount. I keep trying and trying with this one since it's the lightest but reality is that the Circuit is the bike I can get the most top end out of for whatever reason.
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Well, the last 3 rides where on this, the PDG Paramount, and the Circuit. Same route, different days. The PDG was the fastest, the Circuit next and then this Paramount. It just feels like something is resisting my efforts. The PDG was like that too when I first got it. A new chain sorted it out. Worth a try on this Paramount too even though it's measuring ok. I've also have to admit that when I was on the drops over the rough sections of road it sure felt like those carbon fiber handlebars were flexing some. I don't get that sensation on any of my other bikes. Maybe even swap in some other wheels. These light Zens might be part of what's holding me back too maybe...
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Well, just a little update to this. Swapped these old Team Saturn wheels that I got recently test fitted with some Tubular Veloflex 700 x 27 tires. Seems to be enough room to run these. The front is a little close on width at the top of the fork but as longs as the tire are mounted straight all should be well.

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Beautiful bike and if that is the 9-speed Dura Ace, I have found it to be amazing. I have the same set-up on my favorite ride (including the riser stem and carbon fork) and find it extremely comfortable.
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^ It is Dura Ace 9 speed!
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