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Old 04-13-17, 01:57 PM
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Finally, a 1987 Schwinn Paramount.

Just got it in and am sorting it out today. I'll take it out for a short one today just to get a feel for it.

Supposed to be a 1987 repainted by Waterford. Rebuilt with a Dura Ace setup, the C.F. Fork, and C.F bars. We'll see if I keep those on or not. As pictured it's at 20 lbs and 6 Ozs. May try and source a lighter wheelset for it according to how the ones with it feel. Anyway, happy to get it and it's in pretty good shape. A few paint chips and some touchup but pretty much good in terms of paint. Functionally all seems fine.

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Old 04-13-17, 01:58 PM
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Love the head on shot! Congrats again with your Paramount. Was yellow the original colour too?
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OK James, I give up...I can't keep up with your bike purchases..if only they were hi ten.
Nice bike BTW. Easton carbon is good stuff. Columbus sl is my favorite steel...light and springy.
The question is where do You Keep Them All?
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For a 1987 it should be SLX, no?
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For a 1987 it should be SLX, no?
Good eye, you win the prize. Yep SLX was always my understanding. Yep the repaint decal is SL? Mistake or???

I have the repainted original fork too. You can faintly make out the Columbus mark on it and part of some number. Looking in the bottom you can clearly see the ridges of SLX so the fork is. I"ll check down the seat tube and peak sometime but it really doesn't matter to me. Just curious.
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Originally Posted by dunrobin View Post
OK James, I give up...I can't keep up with your bike purchases..if only they were hi ten.
Nice bike BTW. Easton carbon is good stuff. Columbus sl is my favorite steel...light and springy.
The question is where do You Keep Them All?
Either the bike cave or under me on a ride!

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Originally Posted by jamesdak View Post
Good eye, you win the prize. Yep SLX was always my understanding. Yep the repaint decal is SL? Mistake or???

I have the repainted original fork too. You can faintly make out the Columbus mark on it and part of some number. Looking in the bottom you can clearly see the ridges of SLX so the fork is. I"ll check down the seat tube and peak sometime but it really doesn't matter to me. Just curious.
I think in the larger sizes they used SL but for this one it should be SLX. Just a decal *shrug*

Great bike btw. Wish mine was that yellow!
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Awesome but I'd lose that riser stem..
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Awesome but I'd lose that riser stem..
Why?
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Either the bike cave or under me on a ride!

That is one awesome line up of machines! I don't know why but the green Bianchi always catches my attention.
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Finally was able to make out the serial number. Hard to see under the paint on the BB.

560BWA87001

So, the first bike of 1987. Whew, just made it, LOL!
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That is one awesome line up of machines! I don't know why but the green Bianchi always catches my attention.
It is bright! I sourced a matching Liquigas jersey to ride when on this Bianchi. Same matching green with dark blue logos like the decals on the bike. Drivers shouldn't have a problem seeing me with this combo, LOL!
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...I'm glad whoever carbon forked it kept and sent you the original fork. They ride fine as is, and a CF fork on one of these serves no real purpose IMO. If you're really all that eager to lose bicycle weight, there are plenty of much lighter bikes available. And if it's about road feel, or absorbing vibration, the original seems to do fine with a decent tyre.

Mostly, whenever I see a decent steel bike from that era with a CF fork, I just think whoever owned it had too much money and not a whole lot of aesthetic sensibilities.
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Why?
Uhmmm......I guess because it's the only thing that does not look good on the bike?......
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Very cool, Jim. A 1987 56cm Waterford Paramount should be SLX; frames bigger than 57cm were SL with SP down tubes.

Geometry:


Colors:
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Uhmmm......I guess because it's the only thing that does not look good on the bike?......
LOL, I just love to yank peoples chains when they question a fit on a bike. Guy I got it from gave it up because of back problems. Something I understand well because last year was the first time after my back injury that I was able to get back to the bar lower than my saddle. Used to hear about it all the time when I posted a bike pic. "Your bars are too high!" from people that knew nothing about me. None of us never really know why someone's bike is setup like it is and well looks are only a small part of the equation, right?
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BTW, it's pretty easy to tell if it's SLX or SL/SP by removing the bottom bracket from the BB shell and checking for the SLX helical reinforcements at the bottom of the seat tube and the down tube where they're brazed to the BB shell nozzles.

SLX:


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Very cool, Jim. A 1987 56cm Waterford Paramount should be SLX; frames bigger than 57cm were SL with SP down tubes.
Yeah I was surprised when I noticed the decal. Especially after already seeing the ridges inside the fork steerer. I'm betting someone just put on the wrond decal, no big deal.

I wore myself out on a very wind 40 mile ride today. Was dealing with gusts in the 30 mph range. Once I got back I was too tired to take out the Paramount for a test ride. Hopefully tomorrow.
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Thanks for all the good info Scooper. I found other posts by you with the geometry charts when I was researching this buy. I always try to compare to my Giordana since it does everything so well.
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The fork steerer tubes for SL, SP, SLX, SPX, and TSX tubesets are all the same part number (SL0I17) and all have the helical reinforcements, so you really can't tell which tubeset is used for the frame from just the steerer.
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LOL, I just love to yank peoples chains when they question a fit on a bike. Guy I got it from gave it up because of back problems. Something I understand well because last year was the first time after my back injury that I was able to get back to the bar lower than my saddle. Used to hear about it all the time when I posted a bike pic. "Your bars are too high!" from people that knew nothing about me. None of us never really know why someone's bike is setup like it is and well looks are only a small part of the equation, right?

This is so true!
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BTW, it's pretty easy to tell if it's SLX or SL/SP by removing the bottom bracket from the BB shell and checking for the SLX helical reinforcements at the bottom of the seat tube and the down tube where they're brazed to the BB shell nozzles.

SLX:


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Beat me to it! I got an 80s frame that had an SL decal on it. The old catalog specs I found online also said SL (although it was not definitive since I don't know the exact date of the bike and the catalogs pages didn't have dates, I was just going on visuals). When I was putting it together, I could see and feel the ridges. So when I was replacing the decals, I put a period correct SLX decal on it. However, I've never read anything to indicate that SL is inferior in any meaningful way to SLX (or vice versa... although I guess SLX is a little heavier, supposedly stiffer).
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last year was the first time after my back injury that I was able to get back to the bar lower than my saddle. Used to hear about it all the time when I posted a bike pic. "Your bars are too high!" from people that knew nothing about me.

I get that from folks at times too --- My bar top height is typically really close to saddle height

I don't have back problems, but I have front problems -- chiefly, a beer belly -- Its no fun having belly to upper thigh interference when riding a bike that's set up too low -- I can make more power when I'm more comfortable

I recall the early Armstrong era when the guy weighed 175 lbs, he ran the bars on those old MErckx's (or re-painted Litespeeds, or whatever they were) - just an inch or 2 below the saddle as well and seemed to ride a bike about a size too big for conventional thinking .






At 20.5 lbs with Look pedals, the bike is a feather (for a lugged steel machine with brifters) -- looks great!
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I get that from folks at times too --- My bar top height is typically really close to saddle height

I don't have back problems, but I have front problems -- chiefly, a beer belly -- Its no fun having belly to upper thigh interference when riding a bike that's set up too low -- I can make more power when I'm more comfortable
Yep. As a 5'8", almost 60yr old, 200lb 'clyde', I have this problem as well. I prefer to think that I have 'solved' the interference problem by having bigger/longer bikes with a longer 'reach'. Yeah. That's my answer and I'm sticking to it!
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