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Old 04-18-17, 10:16 PM
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Info on Diamant history and Scorpio frame?

Just came across this during a passive check of ebay frames and it caught my attention since its a brand i havent heard of and a noticable paint scheme.

1- Apparently there were 2-3 brands named Diamant in Europe- anyone know which made this frame? Thinking Belgium since its BSA threaded...but a guess.

2- any info on this model? It has a number hanger, internally routed rear brake cable, cinelli bb shell(or just cable routing guide?...dont know), is Columbus SPX tubing, and looks to be later 80s since it has 126mm Columbus dropout spacing.

The paint seems thick in spots, but its a neat looking frame design and spec.

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Old 04-18-17, 10:46 PM
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I think Benelux is a good guess, tho perhaps a small chance it was built in Italy under contract for the Belgian Diamant brand...but in any case not the (East)German Diamant brand. Should be a fine frame, gonna buy it?
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Old 04-19-17, 12:21 AM
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Yes, Belgian. One of their builders was Martelly (Eddy Martens). Nice frame, BTW.
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Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
Should be a fine frame, gonna buy it?
Well it really just caught my eye because of the paint and brand I wasnt familiar with. And I need another frame like I need...well ill just say I dont need one.
After sleeping on it though- it certainly hasnt left my mind! I have had only Japanese made c&v frames up to now with Miyata, Ishiwata, and Tange tubing, so something made in Europe with Columbus tubing could be neat.
The uniqueness certainly got me interested.

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Yes, Belgian. One of their builders was Martelly (Eddy Martens). Nice frame, BTW.
Wow, this place is a never ending wealth of knowledge! Thanks, Martelly helped lead to some info on the brand and history. Neat info.
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Cool
Is that eyelet a place to hang your race # ?
Safe assumption that the specs of the frame would follow suit to such an addition ?
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Originally Posted by sdn40 View Post
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Is that eyelet a place to hang your race # ?
Safe assumption that the specs of the frame would follow suit to such an addition ?
Yes it is
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
Wow, this place is a never ending wealth of knowledge! Thanks, Martelly helped lead to some info on the brand and history. Neat info.
My earlier post was a little short, as I had to leave for work when I saw your post. I really think it's is a nice frame. Belgian bikes and their builders are relatively unknown, so documentation is scarce, but there's some really nice stuff out there if you know where to look. A few things worth knowing if you're interested.

Together with the French and the Italians, the Belgians pretty much invented bicycle racing. It is no coincidence that two of the five 'monuments' in bicycle racing are Belgian events: the Tour of Flanders and Liège-Bastogne-Liège (or Luik-Bastenaken-Luik, if you will).

However, the Belgian bicycle industry hasn't been as good at marketing as the other two. The better Belgian frame builders often chose to supply their frames 'white-labelled' to others, instead of creating their own brands. Both smaller builders, like Martens, as well as the bigger ones, such as Kessels. All in all this was a fairly big industry. It would supply team bikes for Flandria and Superia-sponsored riders and pro-level frames to local bike shops.

Even bigger was the flow of second-tier frames from Belgian workshops. Built with Reynolds 531, Ishiwata 022 or Columbus tubing, these would be supplied without any identifying marks to anyone who'd pay for them. Here in Holland some very reputable builders like Jan de Reus and Jan Groot (Vittorio) would buy these frames and stick their own names on them. That's some accolade. Much better than a thumbs-up on Facebook.

The Belgians had (and have) some interesting brands of their own, too. Besides Diamant, brands like Clemenso and U.Scanini (amongst others) are worth checking out. And of course Martelly, Eddy Martens' own brand.

Here's a frame a bought a while ago. I suspect it's a Clemenso, but still not sure. Columbus SL/SP frame that means business:

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Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
My earlier post was a little short, as I had to leave for work when I saw your post.
Well you more than made up for the short post earlier! Thanks for more info- I have a handful of new builder keywords to google and learn about.
The global history of frame building is an insatiable interest.


Also- fantastic frame! Love the diamond paint pattern on the main tubes.
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Thanks! As it happens the Clemenso is currently on my stand. Its condition is a lot worse than it looks in the picture, and I'm actually considering a repaint.

Another thing: as a result of this thread I was just looking a some other Diamant frames on the internet, and I recognized a familiar D-shaped lug cut-out on some of them. It seems that I actually own a Diamant!

This is a frame that I still need to build up for mrs non-fixie. Branded as a Van Tuyl (a well-known Dutch racing bike shop). I knew they had some of their frames built in Italy by Andrea Pesenti - and that this wasn't one of them, but apparently they had a Belgian source as well. Thanks for helping me solve that mystery!



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