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Old 04-22-17, 10:22 PM
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Ciocc ID and Help

Hi all, first post to this forum. I'm thinking of pulling the trigger on this Ciocc, but I am very new to classic/vintage bikes, and was wondering if anyone could help me learn more about this bike, or identify any "red flags" about its authenticity. Thank you very much!

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Hello, mi_rider_88! Welcome to the forum!

That Ciocc looks like the real deal. I'd pull the trigger on that in a heartbeat. A lot of people say Cioccs ride wonderfully. Once I missed buying a Ciocc Designer 84 in a similar red colour to yours and I'm sorry ever since. It was a 62 cm frame, with Columbus Aelle tubing. Even if the tubing was not the highest grade (although it should have been a stiff frame, albeit a little bit heavier than, say, Columbus SL) it still did not matter to me. Unfortunately I kept pondering until someone else grabbed it.

Just make sure it is in your size. That frame looks like a 59-60cm? It's a well made bike.

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PS If you buy it, please change the crappy saddle and ugly bar tape. My advice is to stick with white to let the beautiful frame shine. Maybe sunflower yellow would also be a possibility. Personally, I'm not keen on colour matching the rims to the frame either.
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Originally Posted by seboros View Post
Hello, mi_rider_88! Welcome to the forum!

That Ciocc looks like the real deal. I'd pull the trigger on that in a heartbeat. A lot of people say Cioccs ride wonderfully. Once I missed buying a Ciocc Designer 84 in a similar red colour to yours and I'm sorry ever since. It was a 62 cm frame, with Columbus Aelle tubing. Even if the tubing was not the highest grade (although it should have been a stiff frame, albeit a little bit heavier than, say, Columbus SL) it still did not matter to me. Unfortunately I kept pondering until someone else grabbed it.

Just make sure it is in your size. That frame looks like a 59-60cm? It's a well made bike.
Thank you so much for the info, Seboros!

The seller says it's 57cm x 57cm, and I am 5'7. I feel pretty comfortable on modern 52-54cm. I don't really know anything about geometry on older bikes.
ould there be any major concerns about riding this particular ciocc?
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Yep, That's the real deal . Grab it and run..... or ride. She's a beauty.

Here's mine, a lower end model, (1983)

Current Ciocc.jpg
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Originally Posted by mi_rider_88 View Post
Thank you so much for the info, Seboros!

The seller says it's 57cm x 57cm, and I am 5'7. I feel pretty comfortable on modern 52-54cm. I don't really know anything about geometry on older bikes.
ould there be any major concerns about riding this particular ciocc?
You're welcome! In this case I wouln't worry about the fit if I were you. I think it'll suit. I'm 6'2 and I ride comfortably frames between 60 and 64 cm. A friend of mine who is 6'3 rides a 59 cm Bianchi with no problems.
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That being an upper end Ciocc, I noticed that there are no water bottle cage mounts screws. Mine didn't have either, had my LBS install some mounts. KB
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That being an upper end Ciocc, I noticed that there are no water bottle cage mounts screws. Mine didn't have either, had my LBS install some mounts. KB
What is that red thing on the down tube? Pics 1 and 2.

The CL listing lists Ultegra hubs. You might ask if an original wheelset, robably with tubulars, is lurking about too to sweeten the deal for you.]

Good deal, don't overthink it.
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The CIOCC is a nice one....if you are 5'-7" you should check the fit, it seems like it might be too large for you.
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Originally Posted by oddjob2 View Post
What is that red thing on the down tube? Pics 1 and 2.

The CL listing lists Ultegra hubs. You might ask if an original wheelset, robably with tubulars, is lurking about too to sweeten the deal for you.]

Good deal, don't overthink it.
Oops,(Brain fart) I met to reference, seat tube. Seems they didn't have cage mounts on seat tube.
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Old 04-23-17, 08:22 AM
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Could be a mid or lower model Ciocc. The top models always had some chrome on the frames.
Was there ever a frame tubing decal on the frame to confirm what it is.SL, Tretubi or Aelle?
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Originally Posted by Chombi1 View Post
Could be a mid or lower model Ciocc. The top models always had some chrome on the frames.
Was there ever a frame tubing decal on the frame to confirm what it is.SL, Tretubi or Aelle?
You can see the sticky remnants of the Columbus sticker in the 4th photo. Hopefully the owner remembers what that sticker indicated, but it may have been gone by the time the current owner got it. It's a good looking bike, seems well taken care of, but it will be a little larger frame than is ideal for you. However, if you get it for a good price, you're unlikely to lose money on it.
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I'd say it is too big for you.
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MY '83 has Aelle tubing and was a lower end model. I boight it off the shelf in Germany. It came with tubulars. What I have seen on the mid to upper end models, is the "CIOCC" spelled vertical on the head tube. That one also has the makers signature. Mine only has the 4 leaf clover on the head tube with the horizontal spelling in small letters. KB. I'm 5'8", that bike is a little big for me, but if the price is right, I'd grab it, in a heart beat.KB
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At first I thought this must be an Aelle frame due to the lack of any chrome and tubing decal, that's usually a firm clue to the frame being more of a "budget" model. However since there MAY have been a Columbus decal that completley disappeared except for the outline, the seatpost size is going to be the best clue: 27.2 or 26.8?
There ALSO might be the TSD (ten Speed Drive) little man stamp on the top of the brake bridge, please confirm.
If so it's possibly THIS model they called Tri-Sport and was Aelle tubing tho in this year's catalog it only came in blue:
https://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/ciocc(tsd)/7.jpg
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Originally Posted by mi_rider_88 View Post
Thank you so much for the info, Seboros!

The seller says it's 57cm x 57cm, and I am 5'7. I feel pretty comfortable on modern 52-54cm. I don't really know anything about geometry on older bikes.
ould there be any major concerns about riding this particular ciocc?
Yes, this bike is too large for you.
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That looks exactly like my 1985 Mod San Cristobal - there should be a Mod San Cristobal decal on the drive side top tube near the head tube end.

Came with Campi Tiomphe. It was AL tubing and had steep steering geometry. Cheapest model in the line but wonderful.



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I pulled the trigger on the bike. It was just too beautiful in person. Definitely a little close with the standover height but otherwise it rides and shifts like a dream. For my purposes - easy rides with my wife and her new Cannondale - it's great! Thank you all so much for your advice and help.

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Congrats! And this is the place to come with your inevitable questions about maintenance, adjustments, etc. Enjoy!
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Nice bike. I would have voted too big for you as well - glad it's comfy. Yours has the Giovanni Pelizzoli signature on the top tube, so I would assume this is an early Ciocc (which clamp on FD and single set bottle cage bosses support). Pelizzoli is a well respected builder and these frames continued to be outstanding even after he sold the brand around 1980. Others might comment on whether the Pelizzoli signature appears on later versions. My early 90's Ciocc EL doesn't.

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Second link looks to be is latest project. Just a few months ago he had a different site in English with a nice bit about the history of his work.
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I'd say it is too big for you.

Well, if he has had all the kids he wants or put his genetic package on ice, he'll be okay.
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Congrats, I just knew, you wouldn't live that beauty behind, even if it is a shade too large. You'll make it work.
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Since the rest of the bike has been modernized I would do the brakes too. Way safer on a fast bike like that.
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I also think the size issue gets will get old but you can put it on the "The frame doesn't fit pass-around game" and in my experience you will find someone with a really nice bike your size that will trade and you both will be very happy.
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Originally Posted by mi_rider_88 View Post
I pulled the trigger on the bike. It was just too beautiful in person. Definitely a little close with the standover height but otherwise it rides and shifts like a dream. For my purposes - easy rides with my wife and her new Cannondale - it's great! Thank you all so much for your advice and help.
Congratulations on your new bike! The only thing that matters is you to find it comfortable. Enjoy the ride safely!
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