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Old 04-28-17, 06:33 AM
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eBay seller with "second choice" Campy brake hoods

Updating this thread to add some pertinent details and give the full picture, let the reader decide. I still have beef with the transaction and tactics of the seller, but feel like I need to fully lay out the story for posterity.

And to not censor my own words too much, here's what I had to say a couple of weeks ago:

Seller on eBay's name is byebike. Has a bunch great-looking brake Camagnolo, Universal and other brake hoods, many listed as "NOS" and for a price cheaper than a new pair of Rustines. Nowhere in the auctions does it say they're re-pops, most say "NOS" and a few say "second choice", implying they're from the factory.

I really needed a pair of white shield Campy hoods as the last piece of a project, and I bought a gum pair of the gum globe levers for another. I saw the seller was in Italy and figured, "Hell, probably legit, right?" I was concerned about the "shipping may take 4-6 weeks" note, every other seller in Italy delivers within 3-5 business days, I've even gotten some things as quickly as 48 hours via standard post. Maybe even more sketchy was the "Buyers Must Be Patient Please! If This Is Not Agreeable Please Do Not Order or ask to seller", again... odd, but 100% feedback with almost 1k in sales feedback.

I ordered despite my gut feeling something was off. That 100% feedback got me. I finally put in an 'item not received' this week after 6 weeks of waiting, just to make sure I got my foot in the door before eBay cuts you off.
I've gotten burned on that one before. Frustrated, I started digging on this to figure out what I missed.

Then I saw it: Seller is supposedly in Italy, but on the auction items for the Campy hoods, I saw one huge red flag I missed before - FREE Economy Shipping from China/Hong Kong/Taiwan to worldwide

Huh. No wonder they're inexpensive, they're apparently re-pops from China and not actual "NOS" or "second choice". Even if I'd have gotten them, I'm guessing they wouldn't have looked anything like the auction and would've disintegrated within a year or two. And furthermore, I probably couldn't have done anything feedback-wise because they're delaying shipment and stuff is coming from China - I've gotten popped on that one before buying "new" (not) laptop parts from China via eBay, takes forever to arrive, and you're assed out unless you get it before feedback window closes.

I also notice they one listing for what appear to be real Campy hoods and they made a point of putting "NOT REPRO" in the auction title, and charging 5x+ more than the "NOS" ones that look virtually the same, albeit newer.

Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else has dealt with this person on these hoods and actually gotten the item? If you have, what were your thoughts? When I was looking, price on each was $22/pair. I've seen dozens of other purchases between the lot, surely someone else here has bought?

I filed the 'not received' item and mentioned clearly, "only doing this for protection, I've only got 3 days left to file and still no item, but I really want the item", and they issued refunds instead with no reason supplied.

If I actually get the item, I'll come back and update the thread.

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Old 04-28-17, 06:41 AM
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I saw their listings and had doubts about the whole thing, last week. Sorry you had the delay in your projects, and thanks for the heads-up based on actual experience. There are a couple of good sellers for the repop hoods, I got two pairs a while back. I'll look when I get time and send you their names/ebay screen names.

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John Barron (Velostuf) is a US based seller & has excellent repop hoods for I think $29. Good ones, from Italy and worth it.


He's a really nice guy, too.
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Originally Posted by rccardr View Post
John Barron (Velostuf) is a US based seller & has excellent repop hoods for I think $29. Good ones, from Italy and worth it.


He's a really nice guy, too.
Second that. And he has good taste; he bid on and won a couple of my drillium items on Ebay bitd

OP: sorry to hear about your experience. I myself finally got out of Ebay only a week ago. I left a rare negative for a terrible seller who then began to bombard me with nasty Ebay messages and even put this up in retaliation:

https://www.complaintsboard.com/comp...f-c861222.html

Ebay couldn't give me a warm fuzzy about taking care of this nutcase, so I closed my account. Had it for nearly 17 years. Not missing it at all.

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Velostuff, most definitely one of the good, reputable sellers, including the repop hoods he has. I drew a complete mental blank, once again. Several Campagnolo vintage component items he has offered were excellent buys or auction wins for me.

DD, that guy posting the complaint on that gripe and whine site is why so many people do as you have just done with eBay. I hope you get the right to reply with the facts about him.
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I prefer real gum rubber to the questionable advantage of a fake logo and synthetic rubber.

Therefore I use Rustines because they are real gum rubber and feel just like a real campy hood. They look right too until you get like 1 foot away. The repros are almost certainly made in someone's garage using modern synthetic urethane rubber. It doesn't look the same.

Strictly my opinion of course. Different strokes and all. But this has the side benefit of allowing me to avoid shady ebay sellers and unauthorized (pirate) repros.
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Originally Posted by Salamandrine View Post
I prefer real gum rubber to the questionable advantage of a fake logo and synthetic rubber.

Therefore I use Rustines because they are real gum rubber and feel just like a real campy hood. They look right too until you get like 1 foot away. The repros are almost certainly made in someone's garage using modern synthetic urethane rubber. It doesn't look the same.

Strictly my opinion of course. Different strokes and all. But this has the side benefit of allowing me to avoid shady ebay sellers and unauthorized (pirate) repros.
Actually, there's a lot to be said about synthetic rubber hoods.
Yes fresh, real gum rubber hoods feel very nice to the touch.....but only for a short time, when they are still new. After about one riding season, they start to harden and dry out, eventually feeling like hard plastic. Synthetic (silicone based?) Hoods stay good for a very long time, plus they resist cracking and tearing much better than gum rubber hoods. I have Dia Compe AGC aero style brake levers on one of my bikes that I bought back in the mid 80's. They still have the original synthetic rubber hoods on them. Certainly not as soft and pliable as they were brand new, but surviving much better tban much better than some NOS gum rubber hoods I have on my other bikes I installed just a few years ago. They still clean up well just using Pledge (mind you, they are white hoods) and they do not feel like hard plastic and look like cooked bacon.
I vote for production of more repro hoods made of synthetic rubber out there, as long as the quality is good!
It could bring the price of replacement hoods down and even possibly bring back availability of some hoods that had gone "unobtainium" through the years (like Spidel Mafac LS2 and Universal AER/77 brakeset model hoods)....

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It wasn't that long ago that finding any hoods was a challenge. Paying north of $50/pair was the norm. Lately it has gotten better but there are counterfeits to watch out for.

I needed Universal hoods and the little adjuster hood too. Someone in Italy acquired the original tooling for the hoods and started producing them so they are effectively new material made in old tooling. Too cool! At the same time, he was offering Campagnolo hoods, but not with the world shield. I bought a couple of pairs of both to put in plastic bags in the inventory.
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DD, from what I understand about libel, that wack job has just committed it in creating that complaint about you.
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Originally Posted by Chombi1 View Post
Actually, there's a lot to be said about synthetic rubber hoods.
Yes fresh, real gum rubber hoods feel very nice to the touch.....but only for a short time, when they are still new. After about one riding season, they start to harden and dry out, eventually feeling like hard plastic.
Those are some good points. The synth rubber on my TRP levers seems like it will last forever, is nice and soft, and hasn't changed a bit.

Some of the real rubber was better than others though. Campy was pretty good. The old campy gum hoods IME might last 10 years if you were lucky - probably 5 was more realistic. In my case sooner than that 'cause they got crashed out racing. Some of the early Japanese hoods were just terrible and would dissolve into a sticky mess and fall apart. I always found that the early synthetic hoods tended to get sticky after a while.

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Second that. And he has good taste; he bid on and won a couple of my drillium items on Ebay bitd

OP: sorry to hear about your experience. I myself finally got out of Ebay only a week ago. I left a rare negative for a terrible seller who then began to bombard me with nasty Ebay messages and even put this up in retaliation:

https://www.complaintsboard.com/comp...f-c861222.html

Ebay couldn't give me a warm fuzzy about taking care of this nutcase, so I closed my account. Had it for nearly 17 years. Not missing it at all.

DD

Love that screen name honesty13

it is a scary world out there.
I would be tempted to contact this complaint website with the contact, email stream...
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DD, that's some serious insanity. I've been considering hopping off the 'bay but then I see stuff like this which just closed tonight as I watched and it's tough.
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I've seen that second choice sellers listing before. I passed though. Personally I think he is overpriced after a good look at what he's selling.
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Didn't mean to derail. I decided to give this guy any more of my time/effort would be a waste of time. I won't give him the satisfaction. Most people who know me realize the guy is full of ****e, so no worries. I didn't quit Ebay because of him, tho he was the catalyst. Ebay policy is what made me flee the scene. Plus I think I'm done with projects. I've got all the bikes I could ever want. In fact, I need to pass a few along!

And now back to your regularly scheduled program

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Ebay policy is what made me flee the scene.
I did exactly the same thing, a few years ago. I will, however, buy something if it is something I need or really want for a build.

Many times, buyers would get the product I sent, then attempt to get a partial refund. I will refund the full amount of product plus shipping costs. But I will not play the scam game just because a provider's policy(Ebay provides a service) supports one have of the transaction equation.

Buyer Beware - my butt! It should be Beware of the Buyer.
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I was just complaining about this issue and some other eBay issues to another member today about eBay. Has anyone else noticed over the last 5 years:
  • Increasingly difficult to find last-minute 'steals' and 'great deals' buy-it-now?
  • A significant increase in crap? I've sent back no less than 3 things recently because of cracks, hammer/pry marks and other unlisted damage.
  • Campy parts are up 50%+ since 2013-2014? Back then I could easily score a nice 80s Campy NR/SR crankset for $60-70, now it's practically impossible to score a decent one for under $100. Won't even get into Simplex retrofriction shifters and their 500% increase.

BTW, just to add to this thread since I'm also derailing my own here too, another BF'er I won't name inquired with the seller about these hoods. Seller swears they're "reproductions from the original molder" both made in and shipped from Italy. Fishy, considering the auction listing says they're "NOS seconds" (not repops, which now he says they are). auction also says they're shipped from China, which is the only reason it would take 4-6 weeks to deliver from Italy (started in China, then proxied thru Italy).

Anyway, the whole intent of this thread is a BUYER BEWARE. I really appreciate everyone's extra input, even if not directly related to the hoods. I like natural conversation! And also big thanks to folks who reached out to me with input on this. Part of the reason I try to come back for air @C&V versus any of the other subs @ BF.
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So, follow-up on this for my fellow BF'ers and the seller.

Something happened today.

I got a package from Italy, it was postmarked March 18th, the day after I plugged in my eBay order. Somehow this package was in transit from Italy to my commercial address for ~7 weeks. Inside... two pairs of gum hoods (swore I ordered one white shield, one gum globe).

I'm both shocked anything arrived and sort of bummed. When I filed my overly-peaceful case for 'item not received' after ~6 weeks, all the seller needed to do was assure me they'd arrive and I'd have been cool for a couple more weeks at least. Didn't want to miss my window for recourse.

Anyway, I ordered one globe logo pair, one shield logo pair. Both arrived after a very loooong ride. I only have legit (but blown-out) shield logo hoods to compare side-by-side.

In comparison to those, the shield logo on these is more squat/wide. The hoods are sticky when squeezed hard, same way many hoods feel after heavy cleaning.

The globe logo pair appears correct in comparison to pics from the only bike of mine I have pics of. The hoods are very dry and springy, definitely seem like a re-pop, very new feeling.

Worth $22? IMO, yes to me, but you look at the pictures and judge for yourself. I can't compare to what Velostuf is putting out, I haven't bought any, but the price was right for me on these at $22/shipped per pair.

I'll post back if these go south within the first year or two of casual riding.
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So, seller needs to figure out how to declare the country they are shipped from "officially".

I had one item go errant from Europe, a whole bike. It took 16 weeks to arrive from The Netherlands.
Maybe that was the reason?
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So, seller needs to figure out how to declare the country they are shipped from "officially".

I had one item go errant from Europe, a whole bike. It took 16 weeks to arrive from The Netherlands.
Maybe that was the reason?
Not really sure at this point. It was shipped via air mail per the package, not boat, so not sure why it took almost 15% of a year to get here, frankly. The seller was legit: There is no tracking info on the package, shipped via Poste Italiane out of San Lazzaro IT, not out of China. Not to say these aren't re-pops from China (we established at least some are re-pops already).
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Seems like most people in US can't wait for anything. Domestic postage is usually very fast. I've sometimes waited many many weeks for packages to be sent over the pond. And things has got worse since eBay started with Global Shipping Program. Where they carlessly repack goods that have been meticulously packed by the seller. I don't know why eBay does this, NSA?

I got a pair of Campagnolo hoods from Italy from an eBay seller called velobike-reggio, velobike@virgilio.it and nick Vanna. Sold as NOS. But on closer inspection I think they are pretty much the same as most other repos that are sold today. Although my bike OCD is quite severe, I don't care if my hoods are NOS or not. I likey them and they fit and look great.

There are several threads about vintage / repo hoods:
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...-try-them.html

And here is a link to byebike @ eBay:
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Rustines also looks good.
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Seems like most people in US can't wait for anything.
That is not the issue here. Pretty assumptive statement, too.

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That is not the issue here. Pretty assumptive statement, too.

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Sorry. But I've come across impatient americans so often on forums that it just trigged me.

By the way. Your eBay story was insane. Is eBay getting worse? Booth selling and buying on eBay just gets scarier by the day.

And those scummy Asian sellers with weird names that closes their big shops just as fast as they went up? Something fishy here. You can probably buy positive feedback from "hackers" just as you can buy followers on Twitter etc. And they will probably help you set up a new store as well. eBay is big business today.

And all those new Campagnolo hoods are probably coming from the same factory in Italy (and there might be at least one in China as well). But where are they?
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Sorry. But I've come across impatient americans so often on forums that it just trigged me.

By the way. Your eBay story was insane. Is eBay getting worse? Booth selling and buying on eBay just gets scarier by the day.

And those scummy Asian sellers with weird names that closes their big shops just as fast as they went up? Something fishy here. You can probably buy positive feedback from "hackers" just as you can buy followers on Twitter etc. And they will probably help you set up a new store as well. eBay is big business today.

And all those new Campagnolo hoods are probably coming from the same factory in Italy (and there might be at least one in China as well). But where are they?
Well, I suppose stereotypes have to start somewhere, but still...

Six weeks to deliver - you have to admit, American or not, the recipient would be wanting to know something after all that time. And as @francophile notes, he pretty much had to make a report before he lost the opportunity to do so. The window of opportunity to open a case or lose your money is small.

I'm not sure what direction Ebay is going, honestly. I do know that I finally had to say "enough" after that last fiasco. I might take a hit on prices by selling on our own FSOT thread, but hey, that's okay, because I've never had a hassle with anyone here in that regard. Plus I'd rather sell to someone I kinda "know"

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