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Old 05-31-05, 04:09 PM
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I found this old Dawes in the back of a garage and have no idea of its age, etc. I just wondered if anybody could help me identify it.

Here are some details about its components etc
It is an english Dawes bike
serial number "V3557" pressed onto the left rear dropout
'Landar' frame
'Weinmann' 'type 730' brakes
Simplex rear derailleur
'ofmega' crank set
'U' pedals and hubs
'fibrax' brake pads
'Middlemore' leather saddle
'sachs huret' gears
27 x 1 1/4" wheels
'Rigida chromage superchromix' rims
'GB' handlebars and stem/headset

Here are some pics



It appears to have some quite ornate engraving on the handlebars



I would be grateful for any info you have

Thanks Ed

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Old 05-31-05, 07:21 PM
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The parts are a smish-smosh, so there's not much help there with the age. The bike is worth whatever you paid for it for the seat, the handlebars and the headtube badge, though. The boss on the right fork is for a headlamp, required in England in the '50's and early '60's, so that may be a starting point for identifying the age. It looks an awfully lot like a respray, so the Landar sticker is probably an afterthought...

here's a start

https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Bri...ed-feather.htm

Dawes is still alive and well, so that should make your googling much more interesting...
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Old 06-01-05, 02:41 AM
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So, on thoughts of a respray ... i suppose the headbadge should be totally different colours?

It looks to me like the previous owner has just resprayed the whole bike without much masking off and then just scraped off some of the paint on the headbadge to make it look better

I'm going to respray the whole bike anyway so if anyone knows of any original colours for the headbadge I would be grateful

Also it looks like the ends of the chainstays and front forks are left chromed not painted on most bikes?

The handlebar stem also looks a little different to the ones in the pictures of your Galaxy Chuckk but maybe thats just because its a little more recent?

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Old 06-01-05, 06:56 AM
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Add the handlebar stem to my short list of original parts, above. That is most likely original to the bike, and pretty cool. GB stands for Gerry Burgess, and he made some top drawer cycling parts through at least the '70's.
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This looks to be an original dawes headbadge with paint.
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Old 06-01-05, 07:42 AM
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Thanks for the info,

Yeah I like the stem and handlebars with their engraving, they're both 'GB'

You think that the 'landar' sticker is an irrelevant add on?

Who are landar anyway, I've looked around on the internet and can't find anything about them anywhere.

I still don't have any clue about what model it is, I've heard people talk about old galaxies, atlantis's, and lightnings etc but there aren't any markings on the frame at all apart from the serial number which doesnt tell you much.
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These catalogue scans are from 1977, Dawes had a different headbadge then. Yours is (much) older obviously. By looking at the lugs, the lamp and pump fittings I would say your bike is like the Fleur or Flair. The rest of the info you can find in the text and the technical specifications. Hope this helps, although your bike is maybe 10 years older.

When you have the Dawes restored and go riding it, be sure to wear the right clothes! The pics give you some pointers!

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Old 06-01-05, 12:03 PM
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landar was (is?) a bmx company. parts and such.
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Old 06-01-05, 12:06 PM
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by the way, I have a slow-moving project restoring a Dunelt fleur-de-lis. It is similar in many ways to yours and dates from the later 50's. It's been my experience that bottom brackets and headsets are about the last parts swapped out on a bicycle; what were the brands, etc on those things?
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Well I think that the headset is GB at least the stem is. I'm not too great on bike terminology and quite what component/component set the head set comprises of but certainly the stem is GB.

I've taken apart the bottom bracket and I found some markings on the spindle. One looks like an R but I can't identify what make it could be? I can't work out the other marking:



Also on The pedals and hubs they're marked with a 'u' symbol with 'made in germany' stamped on them as well do you know what manufacturers mark that might be?

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gawd. a mystery. I don't have anything like this axle in my collection or my memory...anyone else?
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That is a shame... that blue paint job
MOst Dawes cycles were pretty nicely appointed
must have been pretty messed up to warrant a baby blue spray paint
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Yeah the baby blue is pretty ugly

Its been badly done as well as in a bad colour!

Whoever did it didn't bother to mask off any of it including some of the chrome around the bottom bracket and more importantly the Dawes badge!

I've stripped the bike down though now and am going to respray it in dark metallic blue I think.

I've looked at some of the hidden paint on the forks and headset and dark blue appears to be the original colour anyway
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at home I have an ebay link (closed auction) to a Pristine Dawes Galaxy. literally untouched from 1972.
Lots of picks (it is the green and bronze colored model like mine)
I will forward the link to this thread and you can examine the pics for color ideas
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Yeah I've just been through to the workshop and stripped of a little of the paint on the frame and badge.

The frame is a nice dark blue as I thought and the badge has bright red flames but the rest seems to be silver, I haven't completely stripped it because I don't want to remove the original paint. It looks better than the baby blue already!

That Dawes Galaxy link you talked about sounds interesting

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Originally Posted by luker
It's been my experience that bottom brackets and headsets are about the last parts swapped out on a bicycle; what were the brands, etc on those things?
I've had another look at both parts and the collar on the headset has "TDC" and "made in England" stamped on it:



Also both cups on the bottom bracket have the same markings "TDC" and "Made in England":



Anybody know anything about this brand?
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TD Cross. Major player in bike parts in England in the '50s. The plot thickens.
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here's a picture of your replacement, if you need it. Velostuf.com
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the pictures aren't as clear as I remember:
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=6526395790&rd
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the pictures aren't as clear as I remember:
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=6526395790&rd
Interesting......I have a good friend who is 80+ years old. He has one exactly that color hanging in his garage. He says it has been hanging there untouched for at least 20-25 years. Belongs to his son, who left it there when he moved out. Except for being dusty and dried out, it looks to be in very nice shape.

Every time I inquire about pulling it down for closer inspection, he changes the subject.....

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Out of curiosity what significance does the gap between the ends of the top tube and down tube where they meet at the head tube have?

On my bike there is hardly any gap between them so the front triangle of the frame actaully makes a proper triangle. I have seen many bikes with a good few inches gap and many the same as mine.

What is the significance? Is it due to the older 27 x 1 1/4" wheel sizing of some bikes like mine or is there a simpler reason i.e aesthetics?



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The size of the headtube has a relationship to the size of the bike. There are other factors, like whether the bike is built for fender clearance, and which type and size of wheel will be installed, but in general, the longer headtube goes with a longer seat tube, and the seat tube grows longer with larger bikes...Mountain Biking this month has an 80cm bike built for the Chinese guy that plays ball for Houston. The seat is just about as tall as I am.
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Originally Posted by luker
The size of the headtube has a relationship to the size of the bike. There are other factors, like whether the bike is built for fender clearance, and which type and size of wheel will be installed, but in general, the longer headtube goes with a longer seat tube, and the seat tube grows longer with larger bikes...Mountain Biking this month has an 80cm bike built for the Chinese guy that plays ball for Houston. The seat is just about as tall as I am.
That would be Yao Ming's bike: https://www.gunnarbikes.com/newslette...29-04_ming.jpg
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Originally Posted by EddieM
I've taken apart the bottom bracket and I found some markings on the spindle. One looks like an R but I can't identify what make it could be? I can't work out the other marking:

Anybody have any other ideas about what brand the spindle might be? I can't find anything by googling

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Hmmm... seems like this spindle is a bit of a mystery...

Anyone know how to identify what kind of tubing the bike is made from... seeing as it has been resprayed without any masking etc any original reynolds or other frame stickers will be long.

Is there any other way to tell... like impressions or markings on the tubes?

Thanks, Ed

(the frame weighs 2.4kg/5.3lbs if thats any help)

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