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1970's goodness score (Paramount and Raleigh Pro)

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Old 07-27-17, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by fleslider
Ok Paramount Guru's what does the 9 stand for in P10-9 ?
I believe Schwinn started using the -x model number suffix in 1959 to indicate the type of rear hub desired on a dealer order. The -9 designation indicated a derailleur hub. Note that these codes were only applicable to models where different hubs were optional on a given bike. When a specific hub was the only available option the -x designation was redundant and not normally used. In other words since a 1974 P10 was only available with a derailleur hub it was not necessary to use the -9 designation when ordering. You can see an example of some of the hub ordering suffix numbers on the 1963 dealer ordering instructions here:



Here are some other examples from the 1970 consumer catalogs:



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Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh
I have no clue. Can't say I've ever seen the "-9" designation before. Maybe @Metacortex or @Scooper know.

May I be so bold as to encourage a better set of tires? A Paramount truly does deserve to wear a nice set. I realize there are limitations in the 27" tires, but in the end you will notice an amazing improvement.

If you feel really bold, be on the lookout for a used set of tubular wheels. Often times you can find a old set for a very reasonable price. I was amazed by the difference when I switched from Panaracer Pasela clinchers to Schwalbe tubulars on my '71 P13. I'm not trying to be critical, but instead want to offer some real world advice.
Thanks guys for the advice, I will get a set of Pasela's when money is not so tight, i had these Kenda's laying around so i decided to use them.
As for Tubulars, i think with this bike i will keep with these original wheels. I have the Pro that needs to be done and it will have tubulars. along with the Trek TX900 that i have will get tubulars also. but although i do have a spare set of tubulars with low flange Campy's i could use on it..hmmm a thought.
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Regarding tubular tires, the more expensive ones really make a difference. My learning experience has been Vittoria Rally, Conti Sprinters, Specialized Turbo, Veloflex (Roubaix, Arenberg, Valaanderen), Schwalbe S-1. I want to try the newest Vittorias. I glued (or reglued) several pairs earlier this year.


The Vittoria Rally has a bad rep but at about ~$15 from UK vendors there isn't much risk. Usually takes 3 to get 2 without a lump, but I still have a good pair mounted that refuse to die. The cotton casing is thick and gives a damped ride. I think Rally is available in 25mm, in the past i think they were just 23s.


Conti Sprinter is a good step up. Mine are 22s, the newer ones may be 24s. They give a more race feel pumped to 110psi for my 200# body. Sharp, solid - not the damped ride of the Rally. Never tried the Sprinter Gatorskin as I disliked clincher Gatorskins.


Specialized Turbo is strictly a race tire and durability may be less, but I do like them. 24mm, i think.


Veloflex has become my favorite. Pump them hard for a race feel that's still smooth or slightly less pressure for a sublime Sunday afternoon ride. The 28mm haven't been mounted yet, but 25mm seems wide enough for any pavement condition.


The Schwalbe is 30mm and my light off-road tire. So far they have proven tough enough for gravel, but lack suppleness on pavement - which is the trade-off I wanted.
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I really dig those Schwinn tandems in the catalog scan above.
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The Vittoria Rally are available in both 23 and 25 width, and you can indeed find them for $15.00-$16.00 from Wiggle and at times at Ribble. I didn't have quite the odds you reached @Wildwood, I was approaching the 4 to find 2 without either a lump in the casing or get punctured by a tiny sliver of gravel or rock cut first time out.

When I had a decent pair glued up it was respectable riding, especially if I dropped the pressure down around ale 90 psi. But any lower just invited a puncture that I got to repair and resew the casing. I am sure I am doing something wrong but the Giro are doing fine for me. I can find them for $20.00 on sale at eBay vendors, occasionally. Long term I hope to squirrrel away the coins to buy some of the Veloflex Corsa Graphene sew ups. Won't be any time soon since I am being retired here shortly.

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