Shrevvy 

I am planning on looking at a Pinarello Montello. All I have is a low res pic. Does the rear derailleur look like a Campagnolo C Record? Is C Record the group that should be on the bike? The seller says it is Campy, but is not sure of what group. How would I identify C Record components? From what I have see online, the early C Record rear derailleur did not have the cutout on the lower part of the derailleur (that is what I see in the pic). Any help other help would be appreciated. I always wanted an Italian road bike, but could never afford one in the 1980s. This site got me searching for one to fill that want now.

Chombi1 

Looks like a C Record, but the pic is not clear enough for me to see whether there is a pivoting rod below the pivot arms of the RD. If it has one, it would be a Croce d' Aune, RD and not a C Record. The CdA is the model below the top of the line C Record.
Many Montellos were built up using C Record, Delta, Cobalto and Chorus components of the time.
The bike on the pic does not seem to have a complete gruppo. The crankset seems to be a Super Record from the previous generation gruppo from Campagnolo.
You can always sell the SR crankset and switch it over to one from the C Record era gruppos to make the bike look more "complete". Try to get the C Record cranksets if you can , as the lower model cranks, like the 1st gen Chorus, does not look that good, compared to it.

Shrevvy 

Thanks Chombi. I purchased the bike last night. I'll get pics up with details of the components. The brake levers were switched from Campy. The hubs are Campy, but the rims were swapped as was the rear cogs. The bike is dusty and dirty and has been store for the last 20 years. It definitely needs a good cleaning.

Chombi1 

Glad to help when I can,
BTW, Welcome to Montello ownership. I too just got one (in blue and looks to be the same year as yours) just about a month ago. Also my first steel Italian bike. Mine is still going through a service and clean which I do to all bikes I buy to make sure they are all in tip top shape when I get them on the road even though my Montello was in fantastic shape when it got to me from Canada. I'm doing a few changes to the bike just to make it just a bit better and more my personal build. I'll try to post up rebuild progress pics this weekend.

qcpmsame 

Beautiful looking Pinnie, that is a true grade a score there. For future use, here is the url for Velobase, it is a great source for finding and identifying components and other vintage items. Excellent site to just browse and dream about what might be.

https://velobase.com/velobase.com/default.aspx

Please post pics as you get her all spruced up and dressed for the dance. I am certain that Chombi will have his usual excellent results on his also.

Bill

Shrevvy 

Thanks for the velobase link. I will be spending a bit of time at the website, I am sure. I picked the Pinarello up on a road trip for work. I lucked into it while ~4 hours away from home. I just got back and unloaded it from the van. These are pics as found.




C Record?


I think you are right and this is Super Record?


I haven't looked up the brakes or shifters yet.




Brake levers not Campy


I thought I took pics of the saddle and seat post, but I guess not.


Rims were swapped, but he says he kept the original Campy hubs

Chombi1 

Congratulations on finally getting your steel Italian dream bike!
It looks to be in great condition and just needing a little bit of clean and polish.
The indexed/friction capable shifters on your bike are the same as the ones on my first gen Chorus gruppo that came with the Montello I just acquired, so definitely from the Chorus gruppo, but not sure if it was also used with the C Record gruppo from the same time.
The headset seems to be a Campy Super Record headset and the stem, a much prized, top line Cinelli 1R with the nice Pinarello pantographed that raises it's value substantially with Pinarello owners. I would not be surprised if the handlebar is either a Cinelli Campion del Mondo or Giro d Italia.
The rear derailleur is a C Record, not CdA. The front is from the Super Record gruppo.
Not sure about the brake calipers. It might be from the first gen C Record gruppo. But could be a later item from another gruppo.
Saddle seems to be a Selle Italia Turbo Special and the seatpost a single bolt, fluted Campy Super Record.
Hubs are Campy Records from the earlier Super and Nuovo Record era. Older hubs, but excellent when it came to bearing reliability and glass-like rolling smoothness.
Quite a mix, but all high quality stuff from Campy. The Dia Compe AGC levers are very good ones when it came to aero style levers from that time, but it does look a bit lost on the otherwise all Italian bike.
You have a half and half gruppo on your Montello. You can leave it as is, or rebuild to either Super Record gruppo spec or C Record. Bike being an 85, it was from that transition time between the two gruppos. Either way, you will end up with a beautiful top line bike, equipped with Campy's best from both gruppo eras.
BTW, I noticed that the decals on the bike seems to be in very good condition. If they are original, be very careful when cleaning them or around them as the original decals from Pinarello were notoriously fragile and tended to dry out and flake off easily. Replacements are available (Velocals seem to have the most accurately reproduced ones ), but Pinarello "purists" seem to prefer just having originals on their bikes regardless of the decals' condition.

delicious

Beautiful bike! Note the freewheel is an extra light Campagnolo model and requires a particular tool to remove.

Edit: https://www.bicycletool.com/campagnol...elremover.aspx

Chombi1 

Yes, I missed the Campy Aluminum freewheel. That's top buck stuff too!

qcpmsame 

Glad that the Pinnie turnout to be so well appointed, and Chombi has provided a nice synopsis of the various components. Quite a bike there, I've not seen that vintage Pinarello with its decals that intact, their fragility noted by Chombi, is notorious so follow his lead about cleaning around them.

Velobase is one website I can get third up in for a really long time, learning the variations between the components and their gear periods is fascinating to me. Between Velobase, this forum, and folks that share their knowledge like Mr. C there, are my major resources while building my bikes. Congrats on the acquisition, I'll bee looking forward to your rebuild thread as you get it all spruced up.

Bill

Shrevvy 

Thank you guys! That is very helpful. The handlebar is a Giro d Italia. Would the bike even have come from the factory with this mix of Campy parts? To paraphrase a saying from another collecting field - "buy the bike not the story." I bought this from the original owner. He acquired the bike in Italy while on his honeymoon. He said the factory was moving at the time and he had the bike shipped to the US. He eventually changed the rims and freewheel. He did say the freewheel was expensive when he did it. When he had the bar tape redone, he changed the brake levers. Everything else was left as purchased according to him. The changes were all done at a local bike shop. I love the bike regardless.

The decals are original. Some are beginning to flake. The big "Pinarello" decals are in the best shape. The Montello '85 and the signature are both peeling. There is a decal missing on one side of the down tube. I believe it was an "Italia" decal. There is a decal on the head tube facing the rider has some residue around it. I see what that is when I clean it. I will be extra careful around them when cleaning the bike. Will soapy water take off the decals at this point?

Chombi1 

I'd hesitate to clean the decals with anything. Unfortunately anything that touches them, wet or dry woulf most likely dislodge any portions of them that is starting to flake off. One thing that might work to stabilize the decals is decal setting solution that plastic modelers use. The stuff is supposed to soften and bond decals to surfaces. That's the case for new waterside type decals on models, but I'm not sure if Pinarellos decals are similar or the same materials that will act the same. Best to test it on a very small portion first before committing to using the stuff.
I lost a few more flakes of my decals when I cleaned and polished my frame a couple of weeks ago with Lemon Pledge, but then my decals are already quite beat up, unlike yours, so I did not mind it too much.

SJX426 

Nice finds for both of you. I was curious about Pinarello when I bought mine. I "settled" for it because I doubted I could find a De Rosa. That was 2014 in May. My Cateye says that I have run 3,6499 miles since I installed it soon after purchase. I have bonded with this wonderful bike, even though it has 8 speed Dura Ace (7400)!
Mine has considerably more "Patina" than either one of yours but that is not why I like it. The decals have been gone for quite some time but left a ghost image that remains.
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