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Help ID frame- 60s? French? Gitane?

Old 05-29-17, 12:35 AM
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Help ID frame- 60s? French? Gitane?

I have a bit of a riddle here, and would welcome some help solving it. Metric sized tubing but English threaded BB shell. Reynolds 531 butted main tubes (they are marked as such- I don't know how to tell if the stays are 531), but stamped dropouts. Not a single braze-on except the shifter stop, which is a pentagon shape like a Gitane but is on top of the down tube. The seat stay caps are similar to some low-end Gitanes but are really long and have a bit of wrap around at the top. The lugs are Bocama and I think the shell also. Head tube lugs are 75/58 degree and seat lug is 75 degree. "62" stamped on left dropout which may just be frame size. Only other marking is a SSN stamped on the shell (thanks @gugie for enlightening me on that practice). The frame had been repainted at least once. I just stripped the frame, which is evident in the pics .

The bike came with a 90s vintage aftermarket fork and newer stem and handlebar so no help there. Other parts on the bike when I got it (FWIW): 27" Maillard/Weinmann rear, Stronglight 49D, Brooks, Suntour.









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How much does it weigh?
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Looks like a Motobecane.
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I have a bit of a riddle here, and would welcome some help solving it. Metric sized tubing but English threaded BB shell. Reynolds 531 butted main tubes (they are marked as such- I don't know how to tell if the stays are 531), but stamped dropouts. Not a single braze-on except the shifter stop, which is a pentagon shape like a Gitane but is on top of the down tube. The seat stay caps are similar to some low-end Gitanes but are really long and have a bit of wrap around at the top. The lugs are Bocama and I think the shell also. Head tube lugs are 75/58 degree and seat lug is 75 degree. "62" stamped on left dropout which may just be frame size. Only other marking is a SSN stamped on the shell (thanks @gugie for enlightening me on that practice). The frame had been repainted at least once. I just stripped the frame, which is evident in the pics .
Good riddle to ponder. It's undoubtedly French, but the English BB is a puzzler. I've heard of a small group of French monks who built wonderful frames in very small batches, your description matches it to a T. No one really knows what happened to them. Rumor is they fled France to Switzerland during WWII, and their order started up production again not long ago. I happened to find one interweb pic that might give us another clue:

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