1984 Peugeot 12 Vitesse - New Zealand
11-08-23, 04:00 AM
#151
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Hey thanks for the helpful information. I would have been none the wiser with the drop-out screws. I've let the bike mechanic Josca know and will probably hear from him in the morning.
11-08-23, 04:01 AM
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Ah yes, that's quite likely! No delete key in those days.
11-08-23, 03:08 PM
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11-08-23, 09:39 PM
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Thank you - I shared this with Josca. His reply as follows:-
Aha!
Thanks.
A minor detail but it may have significance for the relationship of the position of the rear axle further forward in relation to the position of Simplex derailleur.
I think the cap nuts are long gone, and not something that's easy to find so I will recheck your box of parts.
Simply reversing the screws would do the trick to use up space in the dropout.
Aha!
Thanks.
A minor detail but it may have significance for the relationship of the position of the rear axle further forward in relation to the position of Simplex derailleur.
I think the cap nuts are long gone, and not something that's easy to find so I will recheck your box of parts.
Simply reversing the screws would do the trick to use up space in the dropout.
11-09-23, 01:31 AM
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Thank you - I shared this with Josca. His reply as follows:-
Aha!
Thanks.
A minor detail but it may have significance for the relationship of the position of the rear axle further forward in relation to the position of Simplex derailleur.
I think the cap nuts are long gone, and not something that's easy to find so I will recheck your box of parts.
Simply reversing the screws would do the trick to use up space in the dropout.
Aha!
Thanks.
A minor detail but it may have significance for the relationship of the position of the rear axle further forward in relation to the position of Simplex derailleur.
I think the cap nuts are long gone, and not something that's easy to find so I will recheck your box of parts.
Simply reversing the screws would do the trick to use up space in the dropout.
If you want to keep it correct let me know and I will dig out a couple of nuts for you
Get it back together and ride the darn thing !!
11-12-23, 10:13 PM
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Yes will do thanks. I'm letting Josca make the call and will see what he comes up with. Good to know the correct parts are available thanks again.
11-17-23, 12:53 AM
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The build is almost complete. The good news from Josca is as follows:-
"The tiny dropout screw cap nuts have been found in a tiny bag at the bottom of one of your boxes. I will install them as per your simplex experts picture when I'm back on the tools on Monday."
Just now waiting for new toe strap cages to be fitted to replace the ugly rusty ones.
The original black leather Cinelli saddle will replace the one shown.
Photos show the bike in its current state. Note the 1990s Italian racer Battaglin up for sale.
The bell is cunningly covering a tear in the handle bars binding material. It was decided to be in too good condition to replace.
Rusted toe strap cages; not a good look.
"The tiny dropout screw cap nuts have been found in a tiny bag at the bottom of one of your boxes. I will install them as per your simplex experts picture when I'm back on the tools on Monday."
Just now waiting for new toe strap cages to be fitted to replace the ugly rusty ones.
The original black leather Cinelli saddle will replace the one shown.
Photos show the bike in its current state. Note the 1990s Italian racer Battaglin up for sale.
The bell is cunningly covering a tear in the handle bars binding material. It was decided to be in too good condition to replace.
Rusted toe strap cages; not a good look.
11-17-23, 05:28 AM
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When those blackwall tires wear out, perhaps consider installing some period-correct skinwall tires. Many of us who were working in bike shops when bikes such as yours were new associate blackwall tires with low-end department store bikes, since those were the only road-style bikes that came with blackwall tires in those days.
11-17-23, 09:52 PM
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Hi,I want to thank you both, #1simplexnut and #bstrummer, for sharing your expertise and experience with these Pugs. I found your thread last Friday and read it over the weekend. Glad life has given you the leisure to return to your restoration, #bstrummer. You've followed up on a project thread you started in 2017. Makes me feel a little guilty about my own old, orphan threads on bikeforms.
I came across your post when I was searching for background on a Peugeot I bought off my local craigslist here in the US. It had a little sticker "PH11 USNM62x". I thought it would be pretty straightforward to identify the model with that info, but there were no PH11 models in the US catalogs, none were apparently sold in the US, and some of the mismatches [rim sizes (27 Fr v 700c Rr); hub date codes (84 v 87), etc.] left me puzzled about the year and value. The groupset on the bike most closely matched the specs from the PBN10 in the Peugeot NZ catalog that #1simplexnut posted (thank you) and the paint/ chrome fork/ decals are a dead match except for the frame tubing sticker: Brazed Butted Tubes (BBT). While I'll probably never know for sure how it ended up in the US (the seller was not the original owner), your post has provided me with lots of useful info-- I am definitely going to the Helicomatic museum again.
Your NZ made frame is a unique and rare bird with a good origin story. "Cool," methinks. Those forged Simplex dropouts with adjuster are a nice touch and, I think, an upgrade over the faux-forged dropouts that are on my PH11 frame-- the stamped dropouts have some "relief" and an integrated hangar). The external lugs are classic style. I am still not sure what tubing is involved in the BBT frame, but my search for the "Mangaloy" that the PBN10 frame was made out makes me think that it's a different tubing than Peugeot's "Carbolite" (https://thevelocollective.com/peugeot-pro-team-hle/) and an upgrade, too. For that reason, I think #1simplexnut's recollection about the "no frame sticker" must be accurate.
Congratulations on being within sight of the finish line. I am looking forward to some inspirational pictures of the completed bike and a ride review. Summer is coming down there, enjoy your new ride.
Aric
I came across your post when I was searching for background on a Peugeot I bought off my local craigslist here in the US. It had a little sticker "PH11 USNM62x". I thought it would be pretty straightforward to identify the model with that info, but there were no PH11 models in the US catalogs, none were apparently sold in the US, and some of the mismatches [rim sizes (27 Fr v 700c Rr); hub date codes (84 v 87), etc.] left me puzzled about the year and value. The groupset on the bike most closely matched the specs from the PBN10 in the Peugeot NZ catalog that #1simplexnut posted (thank you) and the paint/ chrome fork/ decals are a dead match except for the frame tubing sticker: Brazed Butted Tubes (BBT). While I'll probably never know for sure how it ended up in the US (the seller was not the original owner), your post has provided me with lots of useful info-- I am definitely going to the Helicomatic museum again.
Your NZ made frame is a unique and rare bird with a good origin story. "Cool," methinks. Those forged Simplex dropouts with adjuster are a nice touch and, I think, an upgrade over the faux-forged dropouts that are on my PH11 frame-- the stamped dropouts have some "relief" and an integrated hangar). The external lugs are classic style. I am still not sure what tubing is involved in the BBT frame, but my search for the "Mangaloy" that the PBN10 frame was made out makes me think that it's a different tubing than Peugeot's "Carbolite" (https://thevelocollective.com/peugeot-pro-team-hle/) and an upgrade, too. For that reason, I think #1simplexnut's recollection about the "no frame sticker" must be accurate.
Congratulations on being within sight of the finish line. I am looking forward to some inspirational pictures of the completed bike and a ride review. Summer is coming down there, enjoy your new ride.
Aric
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11-20-23, 07:33 PM
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Hi Aric, You're most welcome and thank you for sharing your 'Pug' story. I'm just about to collect my PBN10 from Josca then install lovely new toe clip cages along with the original saddle. Photos of the finished bike will definitely be shared once I've finished those small details. I might be tempted to go for a test ride first though. The sun is shining - for a change! Josca tells me "My test rides it seems to ride perfectly" and 'Not too many of these rebuilds go together with so few parts renewed ad cables, chain and BB bearings!!"
