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Old 06-25-17, 02:30 PM
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Mystery steel lugged frame identification

I was hoping someone here could help identify or give me a general idea of what this frame is. 80s road frame from what I can tell. The previous owner was unaware and I bought the bike for the wheels and found some interesting parts and details when I got it home. I think paint is original and there are Columbus decals and the BB shell says Cinelli. The dropouts are Campagnolo. I couldn't find any other marks or numbers stamped anywhere except on the fork crowns there's a dove that looks similar to the one in the decals. The vintage parts are the stem which says Pearl 9 and the Shimano Ultegra headset.

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Old 06-25-17, 03:16 PM
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Seat cluster looks kinda like Gios but other than that I haven't a clue.
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Old 06-25-17, 03:46 PM
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Here are a few more images. Thanks.
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Old 06-25-17, 04:21 PM
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Looks pretty dang nice to me, whatever it is.
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Old 06-25-17, 04:28 PM
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Performance or Nashbar sold a house brand frame that was similar to that in the 80's. I'm just going by memory, but you might want to search that for confirmation.
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Old 06-25-17, 05:01 PM
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That is a Columbus bird on the fork.
Cinelli Bottom Bracket
Campagnolo Dropouts

It is possible the fork is an aftermarket replacement.

Carefully check (feel) for toptube/downtube damage just behind the headtube lugs.

Are the fork dropouts marked Campagnolo, or something else?

Any serial numbers?

I always start suspecting a small builder if there is no S/N, and somewhat mixed parts.

All the brazing, however, looks very professional (from what I can see in the photos).
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There weren't any serial numbers. Fork dropouts say Campagnolo.

I'll check for damage... is that just something you noticed from the images?

So this would probably be impossible to track down specifically from some of the other similar threads I've read. Any way to tell which country maybe?
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Originally Posted by jkulp View Post
There weren't any serial numbers. Fork dropouts say Campagnolo.

I'll check for damage... is that just something you noticed from the images?

So this would probably be impossible to track down specifically from some of the other similar threads I've read. Any way to tell which country maybe?
If there is ever a chance of a mismatched (repainted) fork, then one has to look for front-end damage. It is hard to tell from the photos, but angles may be slightly off.

Oh, does the brazing of the fork dropouts match that of the rear dropouts?

As far as country of origin, I'm guessing Italian bottom bracket threads. I think that would make me lean towards Italy, but that would be rather non-specific.

It may be hard to see Italian headset threads, but the Italian headset cups would be 30.2, often with 27.0 crown race. Of course, a replacement fork could also throw that off.
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If there is ever a chance of a mismatched (repainted) fork, then one has to look for front-end damage. It is hard to tell from the photos, but angles may be slightly off.

Oh, does the brazing of the fork dropouts match that of the rear dropouts?

As far as country of origin, I'm guessing Italian bottom bracket threads. I think that would make me lean towards Italy, but that would be rather non-specific.

It may be hard to see Italian headset threads, but the Italian headset cups would be 30.2, often with 27.0 crown race. Of course, a replacement fork could also throw that off.
Can't tell tell whether the brazing is the same. I have a picture of it though.

I'll take some measurements. Thank you.
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Can't tell tell whether the brazing is the same. I have a picture of it though.

I'll take some measurements. Thank you.
That's folly. It's a generic Italian road frame from the 80's. Google should get you close or there if you scroll through enough images.
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Originally Posted by Otis View Post
That's folly. It's a generic Italian road frame from the 80's. Google should get you close or there if you scroll through enough images.
That's good enough. Thank you.
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