Needing a few questions answered about a vintage 10 speed I just bought.
07-01-17, 01:06 PM
#1
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 12
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Needing a few questions answered about a vintage 10 speed I just bought.
I just picked up a "Europa Super Fast 2000" that was made in West Germany and I literally can't find any info on the manufacturer anywhere on the net. So, if anybody could help me figure out the date of manufacture(or anything else about it for that matter), I would greatly appreciate it.
I'm not a newbie to bicycles in any way/shape/form...am a 20yr bmx veteran that dabbles in all other forms of cycling as well as having worked at a few bike shops along the way.
That being said, I'm COMPLETELY stymied as to any info about this bike. It has a Shimano Eagle rear derailleur, a Thunder Bird front derailleur, and Altenburger Concorde center-pull caliper brakes. Other than that and the make and model, I know NOTHING about this bike.
Thanks in advance for any help that you folks can provide!
I'm not a newbie to bicycles in any way/shape/form...am a 20yr bmx veteran that dabbles in all other forms of cycling as well as having worked at a few bike shops along the way.
That being said, I'm COMPLETELY stymied as to any info about this bike. It has a Shimano Eagle rear derailleur, a Thunder Bird front derailleur, and Altenburger Concorde center-pull caliper brakes. Other than that and the make and model, I know NOTHING about this bike.
Thanks in advance for any help that you folks can provide!
07-01-17, 01:29 PM
#2
Humble Administrator
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Kalamazoo MI
Posts: 20,874
Bikes: Fuji SL2.1 Carbon Di2 Cannondale Synapse Alloy 4 Trek Checkpoint ALR gravel Viscount Aerospace Pro Colnago Classic Rabobank Schwinn Paramount
Mentioned: 56 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2897 Post(s)
Liked 5,390 Times
in
3,153 Posts
Thread moved from Road Cycling to Classic and Vintage forum.
07-01-17, 01:44 PM
#3
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,653
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 380 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 103 Times
in
77 Posts
With the components you listed and the name it probably is a very low end bike of not a lot of value made in the early 1970s. Picture(s) could show us a lot more. Roger
07-01-17, 01:48 PM
#4
Shifting is fun!
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: South Holland, NL
Posts: 10,613
Bikes: Yes, please.
Mentioned: 267 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2042 Post(s)
Liked 3,554 Times
in
1,463 Posts
I do like the name: Europa Super Fast 2000. 
07-01-17, 08:18 PM
#5
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Port Angeles, WA
Posts: 7,952
Bikes: A green one, "Ragleigh," or something.
Mentioned: 193 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1601 Post(s)
Liked 577 Times
in
328 Posts
That'd be my guess, too. A department store brand, made by Puch or one of the other big European builders?
__________________
● 1971 Grandis SL ● 1972 Lambert Grand Prix frankenbike ● 1972 Raleigh Super Course fixie ● 1973 Nishiki Semi-Pro ● 1979 Motobecane Grand Jubile ●1980 Apollo "Legnano" ● 1984 Peugeot Vagabond ● 1985 Shogun Prairie Breaker ● 1986 Merckx Super Corsa ● 1987 Schwinn Tempo ● 1988 Schwinn Voyageur ● 1989 Bottechia Team ADR replica ● 1990 Cannondale ST600 ● 1993 Technium RT600 ● 1996 Kona Lava Dome ●
● 1971 Grandis SL ● 1972 Lambert Grand Prix frankenbike ● 1972 Raleigh Super Course fixie ● 1973 Nishiki Semi-Pro ● 1979 Motobecane Grand Jubile ●1980 Apollo "Legnano" ● 1984 Peugeot Vagabond ● 1985 Shogun Prairie Breaker ● 1986 Merckx Super Corsa ● 1987 Schwinn Tempo ● 1988 Schwinn Voyageur ● 1989 Bottechia Team ADR replica ● 1990 Cannondale ST600 ● 1993 Technium RT600 ● 1996 Kona Lava Dome ●
07-02-17, 06:56 PM
#6
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 12
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Apparently I'm not allowed to post urls until I have ten posts on here so I'm about to make pointless replies until I make that number...bear with me... Lol
07-02-17, 07:01 PM
#15
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 12
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
https://imgur.com/gallery/OXJaj
Here's a link to seven photos of it. Let me know if you'd like to see more(even though that should cover everything). Also...there is NO serial number anywhere on the frame.
Two things I'm very curious about are the two brackets I took pictures of. Is the one that's silver and rectangular a spoke lock?! I've never seen that before...or the weird arrow shaped one on the left fork leg
Here's a link to seven photos of it. Let me know if you'd like to see more(even though that should cover everything). Also...there is NO serial number anywhere on the frame.
Two things I'm very curious about are the two brackets I took pictures of. Is the one that's silver and rectangular a spoke lock?! I've never seen that before...or the weird arrow shaped one on the left fork leg
07-02-17, 07:05 PM
#16
Humble Administrator
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Kalamazoo MI
Posts: 20,874
Bikes: Fuji SL2.1 Carbon Di2 Cannondale Synapse Alloy 4 Trek Checkpoint ALR gravel Viscount Aerospace Pro Colnago Classic Rabobank Schwinn Paramount
Mentioned: 56 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2897 Post(s)
Liked 5,390 Times
in
3,153 Posts
Pic Assist
07-02-17, 07:06 PM
#17
Humble Administrator
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Kalamazoo MI
Posts: 20,874
Bikes: Fuji SL2.1 Carbon Di2 Cannondale Synapse Alloy 4 Trek Checkpoint ALR gravel Viscount Aerospace Pro Colnago Classic Rabobank Schwinn Paramount
Mentioned: 56 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2897 Post(s)
Liked 5,390 Times
in
3,153 Posts
The bracket on your fork is for a headlight.
07-02-17, 07:06 PM
#18
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Middle Earth (aka IA)
Posts: 20,063
Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones
Mentioned: 174 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5701 Post(s)
Liked 2,986 Times
in
1,829 Posts
Low end for sure but kind of cool in a euro sort of west german (so we know it was made before the fall of the Berlin wall) sort of way. The bracket on the fork is for a light/bottle generator combo; the one on the rear was likely a lock as you guessed.
07-02-17, 08:19 PM
#19
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 12
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Thanks for moving the thread and for the pic assist Bill! Greatly appreciated.
Big thanks to everybody else too. I've got a buddy that runs a shop in Mpls that was saying about the same for it being a department store bike, but he wasn't sure. I'm glad that the mystery is solved. Now it's time to clean/fully tune her up to get ready to sell...it's way too small for a 6'5" guy like myself. Plus, I already have an almost totally original, banana yellow '71 Schwinn Continental(that's actually my size) that I fully rebuilt a few years back ��
Big thanks to everybody else too. I've got a buddy that runs a shop in Mpls that was saying about the same for it being a department store bike, but he wasn't sure. I'm glad that the mystery is solved. Now it's time to clean/fully tune her up to get ready to sell...it's way too small for a 6'5" guy like myself. Plus, I already have an almost totally original, banana yellow '71 Schwinn Continental(that's actually my size) that I fully rebuilt a few years back ��
07-02-17, 08:55 PM
#20
Extraordinary Magnitude
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Waukesha WI
Posts: 13,393
Bikes: 1978 Trek TX700; 1978/79 Trek 736; 1984 Specialized Stumpjumper Sport; 1984 Schwinn Voyageur SP; 1985 Trek 620; 1985 Trek 720; 1986 Trek 400 Elance; 1987 Schwinn High Sierra; 1990 Miyata 1000LT
Mentioned: 83 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2505 Post(s)
Liked 1,403 Times
in
792 Posts
Super Fast 2000.
__________________
*Recipient of the 2006 Time Magazine "Person Of The Year" Award*
Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
07-05-17, 12:09 PM
#21
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 13,043
Mentioned: 378 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3306 Post(s)
Liked 2,281 Times
in
1,585 Posts
-----
May be a Kalkhoff.
If you do a web search under this name you may find a similar model.
This manufacturer made use of the Agrati "EXPORT" pattern bulge-formed head used to build the frame we see here.
Hubs are WECO brand from (then) West Germany.
-----
May be a Kalkhoff.
If you do a web search under this name you may find a similar model.
This manufacturer made use of the Agrati "EXPORT" pattern bulge-formed head used to build the frame we see here.
Hubs are WECO brand from (then) West Germany.
-----
07-05-17, 01:02 PM
#22
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 4,160
Mentioned: 101 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1494 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 631 Times
in
417 Posts
Their top model might have been called the "Super Duper Fasterooney Space Odyssey Racer......as ridden by the Partridge Family"
....
They sure had a nifty way of naming products back then!...........such innocent times......
....They sure had a nifty way of naming products back then!...........such innocent times......
__________________
72 Line Seeker
83 Davidson Signature
84 Peugeot PSV
84 Peugeot PY10FC
84 Gitane Tour de France.
85 Vitus Plus Carbone 7
86 ALAN Record Carbonio
86 Medici Aerodynamic (Project)
88 Pinarello Montello
89 Bottecchia Professional Chorus SL
95 Trek 5500 OCLV (Project)
72 Line Seeker
83 Davidson Signature
84 Peugeot PSV
84 Peugeot PY10FC
84 Gitane Tour de France.
85 Vitus Plus Carbone 7
86 ALAN Record Carbonio
86 Medici Aerodynamic (Project)
88 Pinarello Montello
89 Bottecchia Professional Chorus SL
95 Trek 5500 OCLV (Project)
07-06-17, 02:23 PM
#23
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 13,043
Mentioned: 378 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3306 Post(s)
Liked 2,281 Times
in
1,585 Posts
-----
Looks to be a Staiger product.
Note seat stay attachment, Agrati "EXPORT" pattern bulge-formed head, dropouts, pump peg, fork crown & fork crown cap of this machine -
-----
Looks to be a Staiger product.
Note seat stay attachment, Agrati "EXPORT" pattern bulge-formed head, dropouts, pump peg, fork crown & fork crown cap of this machine -
-----
07-06-17, 05:29 PM
#24
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Seattle WA
Posts: 2,870
Bikes: 2009 Handsome Devil, 1987 Trek 520 Cirrus, 1978 Motobecane Grand Touring, 1987 Nishiki Cresta GT, 1989 Specialized Allez Former bikes; 1986 Miyata Trail Runner, 1979 Miyata 912, 2011 VO Rando, 1999 Cannondale R800, 1986 Schwinn Passage
Mentioned: 72 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 795 Post(s)
Liked 520 Times
in
366 Posts
A company can add; pump pegs, a lock bracket a dynamo bracket but can't do decent cable guides? smh. Love the name, not just fast but SUPER Fast.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
jamv21
Classic and Vintage Bicycles: Whats it Worth? Appraisals.
8
06-13-16 06:08 AM
