C&V Clunker Challenge 100 #3
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Well, tear down begins today! I'm off to a bit of a slow start after wiping down the frame and unbolting things to find out a few of them are seized: headset locknut, non-drive crank arm, one front brake arm. They are soaking right now.
Turns out the the front reflector is in fact a blinky light that obrentharris noticed!
And last but not least... on a scale from 1-to-crazy, how likely are these crusty cantilever brakes reusable? I have spare pads but I have no experience with this setup. The cables aren't really corroded or fraying but I wanted to get a second opinion. I was thinking of converting them to V brakes if they are no good.
Turns out the the front reflector is in fact a blinky light that obrentharris noticed!
And last but not least... on a scale from 1-to-crazy, how likely are these crusty cantilever brakes reusable? I have spare pads but I have no experience with this setup. The cables aren't really corroded or fraying but I wanted to get a second opinion. I was thinking of converting them to V brakes if they are no good.
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The Canti's look fine, they can be a pain to set up but I think they perform pretty well once sorted, if within budget order some Koolstop Eagleclaw pads(I like the yellow or blue ones as they are a bit stickier) and really up the performance of those Brakes.
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Okay, I think I have my candidate:
Ends up the seller is a friend of mine, someone with whom I've traded bikes/frames/parts for years now. He has a knack for finding obscure old Raleighs. I've never done a mixte for this competition before, but figure I can punch through 100km of riding in 3 or 4 rounds and then sell it for exactly $100.
Ends up the seller is a friend of mine, someone with whom I've traded bikes/frames/parts for years now. He has a knack for finding obscure old Raleighs. I've never done a mixte for this competition before, but figure I can punch through 100km of riding in 3 or 4 rounds and then sell it for exactly $100.
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I thought that I had an entry today. I came back from an errand and found 3 more bikes in the garage - a Maserati, a Schwinn Varsity, and a Raleigh Grand Prix. Either one of them would have been a stellar entry for the contest; but alas, they were purchased as a group by a young neighbor.
He has been riding his father's Lotus for a while, and Dad is insisting that he buy his own bike - so he bought 3 and came to me for help.
The Schwinn and the Raleigh don't fit him so he will be keeping the Maserati. He is going to sell the Raleigh to his friend and put the Varsity on CL.
So I'll be helping him to build a clunker. He is going to strip it, prep it for painting, and let his uncle do the paint at the same time he paints his car.
I am only an adviser in in the project, so could he enter his bike? BTW, I will ask him to join the forum.
He has been riding his father's Lotus for a while, and Dad is insisting that he buy his own bike - so he bought 3 and came to me for help.
The Schwinn and the Raleigh don't fit him so he will be keeping the Maserati. He is going to sell the Raleigh to his friend and put the Varsity on CL.
So I'll be helping him to build a clunker. He is going to strip it, prep it for painting, and let his uncle do the paint at the same time he paints his car.
I am only an adviser in in the project, so could he enter his bike? BTW, I will ask him to join the forum.
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Pulled Big Bird out of the back of the garage, aired up the tires and took it for a very short ride to double check the brakes, etc. I decided the saddle is actually pretty comfy and the odd forward position works........ so far. Frame is a 26 inch, a size bigger than I usually ride but manageable. I'll have to dig through the parts box and find some old bottle cages, given the condition of the paint and decals I'll probably just strap 'em on with hose clamps. It may be old, ugly and heavy but it sure is YELLOW.
EDIT: Took it for a longer ride, threw in gravel (real gravel) and a bunch of small hills this time, heat index in the upper 90's. Tell me again why people love the "Varsinentals" so much?
My god what a tank! 
I also have become totally spoiled by ramped cogs and chainwheels. The saddle is getting moved and probably replaced and from now on I'll be wearing padded gloves, those skinny steel handlebars and 43 year old vinyl tape "inhale strongly" if you get my meaning. Have to reroute the brake cables, they get in the way of the stem shifters. But a deal is a deal and I'll ride it 100 Km or lose 30 Lbs. trying LOL but after that Big Bird needs to leave the nest but I will appreciate my other bikes oh SO much more when I'm done!
EDIT: Took it for a longer ride, threw in gravel (real gravel) and a bunch of small hills this time, heat index in the upper 90's. Tell me again why people love the "Varsinentals" so much?
My god what a tank! I also have become totally spoiled by ramped cogs and chainwheels. The saddle is getting moved and probably replaced and from now on I'll be wearing padded gloves, those skinny steel handlebars and 43 year old vinyl tape "inhale strongly" if you get my meaning. Have to reroute the brake cables, they get in the way of the stem shifters. But a deal is a deal and I'll ride it 100 Km or lose 30 Lbs. trying LOL but after that Big Bird needs to leave the nest but I will appreciate my other bikes oh SO much more when I'm done!
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I thought that I had an entry today. ...
So I'll be helping him to build a clunker. He is going to strip it, prep it for painting, and let his uncle do the paint at the same time he paints his car.
I am only an adviser in in the project, so could he enter his bike? BTW, I will ask him to join the forum.
So I'll be helping him to build a clunker. He is going to strip it, prep it for painting, and let his uncle do the paint at the same time he paints his car.
I am only an adviser in in the project, so could he enter his bike? BTW, I will ask him to join the forum.
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I have asked, but he will get the paint job for free from the excess of the car repaint. That's hard to turn down for a bike you're going to keep. We will begin working on it this week, so we'll see what happens.
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It's his bike, to do with as he wants... I just like them with their history in tact. Thanks for being the alternative voice and at least laying the option out there.
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And last but not least... on a scale from 1-to-crazy, how likely are these crusty cantilever brakes reusable? I have spare pads but I have no experience with this setup. The cables aren't really corroded or fraying but I wanted to get a second opinion. I was thinking of converting them to V brakes if they are no good.
but I'm not sure you want the additional expense or complication.
Brent
07-09-17, 10:43 PM
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the ugly, the bad and the good
After finding a yard sale wallyworld mountain bike (which looked good) for $35 and finding those four inch oblong tubes were REAL STEEL (44 lbs) I decided to bail on using it. It was intended to go to a brother-in-law anyway. That's the ugly and bad. The good; I just completed a 200 mi trip to buy a perfect size, complete '82 Kabuki Diamond Sport for $40 off CL. No pics yet. Will start everything in the morning. Trying to get a test pic through (of my loser beater bike AKA Zephyr Zombie.
07-09-17, 10:47 PM
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Ok This was not exactly was i was looking for ,this one is far to good of shape but it will have to work..I guess. It has already surprised me a couple times since picking it up yesterday from a guy at work for $20.00. Its largely mocked but not a bad bike. what is it? a 1985 Nashbar Toure MT. its mostly there, missing a tire and Chain/Cables.
heres a pic:
its a 61cm frame 4130 Double Butted, they were apparently made by Marushi. Its running Mountech Derailieurs and a Sakae CR Cranks. the brakes, are cantilevers, the fronts were older Dia Compe, and the rear has the Self Energizing Suntour XC9000 units, a quick peek into the vintage saddlebag and the front XC9000 brakes are in there, the Bars and Stem have been changed. the wheels are nice Araya rims with Suntour Sealed Bearing hubs. at 36/40 F/R Spoke count.
I hear alot of bad things about Mountech, so may have to change that out, but the bearings feel smooth in the wheels so i might be good there..
Here are some more pics:
heres a pic:
its a 61cm frame 4130 Double Butted, they were apparently made by Marushi. Its running Mountech Derailieurs and a Sakae CR Cranks. the brakes, are cantilevers, the fronts were older Dia Compe, and the rear has the Self Energizing Suntour XC9000 units, a quick peek into the vintage saddlebag and the front XC9000 brakes are in there, the Bars and Stem have been changed. the wheels are nice Araya rims with Suntour Sealed Bearing hubs. at 36/40 F/R Spoke count.
I hear alot of bad things about Mountech, so may have to change that out, but the bearings feel smooth in the wheels so i might be good there..
Here are some more pics:
07-10-17, 07:33 AM
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Converting to V-brakes has its perils. The vast majority of v-brakes out there were designed for use on mountain bikes with levers that pull more cable than a bike with drop bars. This means that you get a very spongy feel when braking and, often times, your lever will pull all the way to the handlebar without fully engaging the brake. There is a device called a "travel agent" which will make this combination work
but I'm not sure you want the additional expense or complication.
Brent
but I'm not sure you want the additional expense or complication.
Brent
Anyway, the headset needs attention and my biggest challenge last night was trying to remove the headset locknut. There is no adjusting nut to use as leverage so after wrestling with it for a good 15 mins I threw in the towel. I might rig up a clamp to hold the fork in place while breaking the nut loose.
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ONE, cont'd
I got in gravel-track and dirt rides Friday, Saturday and today on the DB Venture, starting with pausing to take in the sunrise Friday -
[IMG]
June 7 by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]
- before riding many loops around the .37-mile track circling the pond. I paused to get this shot of the fountain in action -
[IMG]
Fountain w Diamond Back by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]
- but only after I had managed to get this one of the heron who has become yet another obsession for me -
[IMG]
Great Blue by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]
I wound up with 14.2 km and a loose headset for my efforts. A little brute force and the use of a 12-inch crescent put that right. The next morning we did a mix of the track and the trails through the woods. First we rode down to the old water tower -
[IMG]
The water tower by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]
- where I did the obligatory bike-in-the-trees-with-sunlight-peeking-through photo -
[IMG]
Sunlight through the trees by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]
- followed by the inevitable photobomb by eldest child -
[IMG]
Eli photobombs again! by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]
- because, hey, Dad is weird and takes pictures of his bikes leaning against stuff and shares them with strangers on the internet ....
*crickets*
Anyway, while I didn't get a good photo of how the mud at the bottom of the woods trail packed up nicely against the fork crown and rear brake bridge, I did manage to get these shots of grit and grunge attracted to the water I used to slosh away all the mud -
[IMG]
Post ride by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]
[IMG]
More dust and mud by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]
I wound up with 15 km Saturday. No pictures today, we were pressed for time trying to get his running mileage in, so I only got 7.5 km this morning. Still, I am now at 47.2 km, so nearly halfway there!
I got in gravel-track and dirt rides Friday, Saturday and today on the DB Venture, starting with pausing to take in the sunrise Friday -
[IMG]
June 7 by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]- before riding many loops around the .37-mile track circling the pond. I paused to get this shot of the fountain in action -
[IMG]
Fountain w Diamond Back by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG] - but only after I had managed to get this one of the heron who has become yet another obsession for me -
[IMG]
Great Blue by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]I wound up with 14.2 km and a loose headset for my efforts. A little brute force and the use of a 12-inch crescent put that right. The next morning we did a mix of the track and the trails through the woods. First we rode down to the old water tower -
[IMG]
The water tower by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]- where I did the obligatory bike-in-the-trees-with-sunlight-peeking-through photo -
[IMG]
Sunlight through the trees by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]- followed by the inevitable photobomb by eldest child -
[IMG]
Eli photobombs again! by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]- because, hey, Dad is weird and takes pictures of his bikes leaning against stuff and shares them with strangers on the internet ....
*crickets*
Anyway, while I didn't get a good photo of how the mud at the bottom of the woods trail packed up nicely against the fork crown and rear brake bridge, I did manage to get these shots of grit and grunge attracted to the water I used to slosh away all the mud -
[IMG]
Post ride by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG][IMG]
More dust and mud by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]I wound up with 15 km Saturday. No pictures today, we were pressed for time trying to get his running mileage in, so I only got 7.5 km this morning. Still, I am now at 47.2 km, so nearly halfway there!
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Be careful around the Blue Heron, they can be very territorial.
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Oh, yes. I figure he can have the pond and its shoreline, and I will stay on the path. There have been occasions when I have had the opportunity to stop and admire him from afar when he decided to walk along the path in front of me. I figure it is best to wait for him to step down through the tall grass to the water before proceeding!
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C&V Clunker Challenge 100
The C&V Clunker 100 Challenge. The hunt, the build, the slog.
You have 100 days starting today, July 3, 2017 to complete the following:
- $100USD (or local equivalent) firm budget to purchase a C&V bicycle and get it back on the road. This $100 includes initial bicycle purchase and all consumables/parts to make it go again. You may have to cut corners but this is all part of the fun. That wal-mart saddle just might have to be your hatchet if you spent all your money on new tires. Your time, tools, cleaning supplies, gas/transit to go get it and grease are free. If you are buying new or used, record that price. If you are using something you already have and know what you paid, use that price. If you can't remember, use the fair market value of the item. If in doubt, ask. Shipping is a cost to be factored in. While anyone who wishes to participate is encouraged to follow the spirit of the game and go out and get a new bicycle, an untouched project waiting in the shed is ok, too.
- Swapping one part out for another does not cancel out the value added to the bicycle. As found = purchase price. adding items costs money, removing them does not give you money back.
- Keep a detailed list and updated before, during and after pictures in this thread on your purchases and progress. We fiend for this sort of thing.
- A minimum of 100km ridden on your new bike. Take photos of the rebuild and of the bicycle in the places you go and post them here. Perhaps you'll have a newfound admiration for stem shifters and solid axles. Or maybe you'll hate everyone after five minutes on the bike and keep using Photobucket to share photos.
- Arbitrary style and value points. You'll get style points for both the nicest finds/builds AND the bikes that make us say "That thing actually survived 100km?". Going as cheap and crummy as possible is a badge of honour. Bonus points for using a real POS in as-found condition (flipped bars, rusted cables, saddle at a 45 degree angle, etc.) and preserving the integrity of the previous owner's ingenuity and mechanical skills.
Judging: I will just decide on my own. Bribery and flattery is acceptable and encouraged. If anyone actually has too much free time and money bribes me I will post contents of mail bike related packages for others to covet and oggle.
Sign up below.
The C&V Clunker 100 Challenge. The hunt, the build, the slog.
You have 100 days starting today, July 3, 2017 to complete the following:
- $100USD (or local equivalent) firm budget to purchase a C&V bicycle and get it back on the road. This $100 includes initial bicycle purchase and all consumables/parts to make it go again. You may have to cut corners but this is all part of the fun. That wal-mart saddle just might have to be your hatchet if you spent all your money on new tires. Your time, tools, cleaning supplies, gas/transit to go get it and grease are free. If you are buying new or used, record that price. If you are using something you already have and know what you paid, use that price. If you can't remember, use the fair market value of the item. If in doubt, ask. Shipping is a cost to be factored in. While anyone who wishes to participate is encouraged to follow the spirit of the game and go out and get a new bicycle, an untouched project waiting in the shed is ok, too.
- Swapping one part out for another does not cancel out the value added to the bicycle. As found = purchase price. adding items costs money, removing them does not give you money back.
- Keep a detailed list and updated before, during and after pictures in this thread on your purchases and progress. We fiend for this sort of thing.
- A minimum of 100km ridden on your new bike. Take photos of the rebuild and of the bicycle in the places you go and post them here. Perhaps you'll have a newfound admiration for stem shifters and solid axles. Or maybe you'll hate everyone after five minutes on the bike and keep using Photobucket to share photos.
- Arbitrary style and value points. You'll get style points for both the nicest finds/builds AND the bikes that make us say "That thing actually survived 100km?". Going as cheap and crummy as possible is a badge of honour. Bonus points for using a real POS in as-found condition (flipped bars, rusted cables, saddle at a 45 degree angle, etc.) and preserving the integrity of the previous owner's ingenuity and mechanical skills.
Judging: I will just decide on my own. Bribery and flattery is acceptable and encouraged. If anyone actually has too much free time and money bribes me I will post contents of mail bike related packages for others to covet and oggle.
Sign up below.
1980 World Sport, paid $25 as pictured. I've put new foam on the bars for $5 on Ebay with shipping, repacked the bottom bracket, cleaned and oiled the chain and straightened a bent brake lever. It's going to need some tires, a different saddle and possibly brake pads. I'd have more in it than Big Bird but it's far more comfortable to ride even with the crappy saddle and rock hard tires. I'll go with whatever you guys say though.
Figured up with the initial purchase price, a pair of new Kenda 27 X 1-3/8" knobbies , a set of generic brake pads, a cheap Chinese saddle and the foam grips I already put on it I will have $78.37 in it. That includes the shipping charges for the new stuff. Possibly leaves me more than enough for a couple old bottle cages and hose clamps I have in my parts bin depending on how much do you think 19 year old CODA clipless pedals would take out of the budget? I bought them new in 1998 and used them several years.
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07-10-17, 04:36 PM
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What are the rules on hitting the "RESET" button and starting over with a different bike?
1980 World Sport, paid $25 as pictured. I've put new foam on the bars for $5 on Ebay with shipping, repacked the bottom bracket, cleaned and oiled the chain and straightened a bent brake lever. It's going to need some tires, a different saddle and possibly brake pads. I'd have more in it than Big Bird but it's far more comfortable to ride even with the crappy saddle and rock hard tires. I'll go with whatever you guys say though.
1980 World Sport, paid $25 as pictured. I've put new foam on the bars for $5 on Ebay with shipping, repacked the bottom bracket, cleaned and oiled the chain and straightened a bent brake lever. It's going to need some tires, a different saddle and possibly brake pads. I'd have more in it than Big Bird but it's far more comfortable to ride even with the crappy saddle and rock hard tires. I'll go with whatever you guys say though.
Plus, I'd like to see you suffer through the rest of your mileage on Big Bird and continue on with the World Sport.
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I also might have a change of heart on my entry. This morning I did pick up the Raleigh SuperCourse mixte I show above, and it's a good candidate (essentially just needs new tires and a complete overhaul), but it's really small, and riding it the required distance will be a challenge. So this evening, I picked up this 1968 23" men's Raleigh Sports for $40:
Yeah, it'll need some T & C, but the tires and tubes might be re-usable, so it essentially will just need lots of elbow grease, new bearings, and a shifter and cable (which I have in the bin). Plus it's my size!
Yeah, it'll need some T & C, but the tires and tubes might be re-usable, so it essentially will just need lots of elbow grease, new bearings, and a shifter and cable (which I have in the bin). Plus it's my size!
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ONE, cont'd
I got in gravel-track and dirt rides Friday, Saturday and today on the DB Venture, starting with pausing to take in the sunrise Friday -
[IMG]June 7 by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]
- before riding many loops around the .37-mile track circling the pond. I paused to get this shot of the fountain in action -
[IMG]Fountain w Diamond Back by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]
- but only after I had managed to get this one of the heron who has become yet another obsession for me -
[IMG]Great Blue by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]
I wound up with 14.2 km and a loose headset for my efforts. A little brute force and the use of a 12-inch crescent put that right. The next morning we did a mix of the track and the trails through the woods. First we rode down to the old water tower -
[IMG]The water tower by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]
- where I did the obligatory bike-in-the-trees-with-sunlight-peeking-through photo -
[IMG]Sunlight through the trees by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]
- followed by the inevitable photobomb by eldest child -
[IMG]Eli photobombs again! by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]
- because, hey, Dad is weird and takes pictures of his bikes leaning against stuff and shares them with strangers on the internet ....
*crickets*
Anyway, while I didn't get a good photo of how the mud at the bottom of the woods trail packed up nicely against the fork crown and rear brake bridge, I did manage to get these shots of grit and grunge attracted to the water I used to slosh away all the mud -
[IMG]Post ride by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]
[IMG]More dust and mud by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]
I wound up with 15 km Saturday. No pictures today, we were pressed for time trying to get his running mileage in, so I only got 7.5 km this morning. Still, I am now at 47.2 km, so nearly halfway there!
I got in gravel-track and dirt rides Friday, Saturday and today on the DB Venture, starting with pausing to take in the sunrise Friday -
[IMG]
June 7 by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]- before riding many loops around the .37-mile track circling the pond. I paused to get this shot of the fountain in action -
[IMG]
Fountain w Diamond Back by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG] - but only after I had managed to get this one of the heron who has become yet another obsession for me -
[IMG]
Great Blue by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]I wound up with 14.2 km and a loose headset for my efforts. A little brute force and the use of a 12-inch crescent put that right. The next morning we did a mix of the track and the trails through the woods. First we rode down to the old water tower -
[IMG]
The water tower by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]- where I did the obligatory bike-in-the-trees-with-sunlight-peeking-through photo -
[IMG]
Sunlight through the trees by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]- followed by the inevitable photobomb by eldest child -
[IMG]
Eli photobombs again! by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]- because, hey, Dad is weird and takes pictures of his bikes leaning against stuff and shares them with strangers on the internet ....
*crickets*
Anyway, while I didn't get a good photo of how the mud at the bottom of the woods trail packed up nicely against the fork crown and rear brake bridge, I did manage to get these shots of grit and grunge attracted to the water I used to slosh away all the mud -
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Post ride by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG][IMG]
More dust and mud by Russ Fitzgerald, on Flickr[/IMG]I wound up with 15 km Saturday. No pictures today, we were pressed for time trying to get his running mileage in, so I only got 7.5 km this morning. Still, I am now at 47.2 km, so nearly halfway there!
07-10-17, 05:48 PM
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I have enough projects going and I'm limited on riding opportunities. I'll suffer on with Big Bird, only have 61 miles left to go...... yeah, only took me a mile and a half to fall out of love with him 
He's definitely getting a saddle change and maybe those knobbies since most of my riding is going to be on chip and oil and dirt/gravel rural roads. I may to try to squeeze another cog in the back, I think I have a couple good 6 speed freewheels I salvaged. Do I get any points for weight? At 41 Lbs.
I think Big Bird is currently a strong contender for the heaviest bike in the challenge! 
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Count me in. Not going to be easy with no co-ops within a hundred miles though. Only one listing yard sale "adult bike" within fifty miles tomorrow. At least I've got leftovers from a $10 junkyard Nishiki to work with. But the Nishiki is already built, so I need a frameset.
Good luck though, maybe extra points if people live rural, with no shops in easy distance
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There was a $10 Takara on CL that I nearly went for, then decided it really was a POS muy grande - think lock and chain rust-welded to the seat tube and post. That would have been a Dremel session.
So, tonight I did a short road trip to pick up what is likely to be my entry. Mid-80's mtb with cartridge bearing hubs. I got back home, peeked at CL again and sure enough, there's a likely candidate, half of what I just spent, with Suntour barcons hanging on it. As Taz would say, "Razzmfrazzm."
So, tonight I did a short road trip to pick up what is likely to be my entry. Mid-80's mtb with cartridge bearing hubs. I got back home, peeked at CL again and sure enough, there's a likely candidate, half of what I just spent, with Suntour barcons hanging on it. As Taz would say, "Razzmfrazzm."