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Old 07-11-17, 01:10 PM
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Tubing decals on a bike with different tubes

So I'm throwing together a sort of Frankenbike. I picked up a late 80s Bianchi Strada LX recently. It's being stripped and powder coated.


The frame uses Tange CrMo tubing. The fork is high tensile steel, so I got a new CrMo fork to replace it. The fork I bought locally ended up being made of Columbus tubing.


So what's the common practice when it comes to decals? Tange decal on the frame, Columbus decal on the fork? No decal on the fork?


I realize this might be an inconsequential detail to most folks, but I figure I'd ask because everyone here is way more knowledgeable than I am.
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I think you should always use the decal which correctly identifies the material. Anything else is deception. Tange on the frame, Columbus on the fork.
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Originally Posted by jj1091 View Post
I think you should always use the decal which correctly identifies the material. Anything else is deception. Tange on the frame, Columbus on the fork.

Or none.
Or frame only.
Or fork only.
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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post

Or none.
Or frame only.
Or fork only.
Wouldn't any of those 3 options leave a prospective buyer in the dark as to the frame and/or fork material?
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Originally Posted by jj1091 View Post
Wouldn't any of those 3 options leave a prospective buyer in the dark as to the frame and/or fork material?
All of my options are 100% honest = no deception.

Don't put the fork decal on the frame and vice versa.

When/if the bike is sold there's more to disclose than decals. Like = why not the original fork? Condition before repaint? Why a Frankenbike? etc.

edit: it is a mid-range Bianchi that has been well used or poorly treated and in need of a re-paint. Assuming the Thread Starter uses the bike for a while the next owner may not even care. Just don't mis-represent by putting a sticker where it does not belong.

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For clarity sake, the frame was bought in good structural shape but poor cosmetic shape. The stem had corroded so badly it would not come out of the fork, I cut the stem. Decided to just take the opportunity to replace with CrMo fork.

I didn't even consider the misrepresentation factor, so that's important to keep in mind.
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This one works with all tubing sets, even when they're mixed:

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Originally Posted by liddokun View Post
For clarity sake, the frame was bought in good structural shape but poor cosmetic shape. The stem had corroded so badly it would not come out of the fork, I cut the stem. Decided to just take the opportunity to replace with CrMo fork.

I didn't even consider the misrepresentation factor, so that's important to keep in mind.
The main thing is: Enjoy the Ride. What color is it now? I'm guessing celeste or ferrari red

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Peter's new custom solution

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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
The main thing is: Enjoy the Ride. What color is it now? I'm guessing celeste or ferrari red

Another un-famous @gugie label. HaHaHaHa

Well it's still at the powder coater but I went with a mid to deep blue. So no celeste OR ferrari red

Though I'm still deciding on decal colours, I was thinking of celeste Bianchi decal with a ferrari red outline/accent. Less contrived? or just enough?
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Originally Posted by liddokun View Post
Well it's still at the powder coater but I went with a mid to deep blue. So no celeste OR ferrari red

Though I'm still deciding on decal colours, I was thinking of celeste Bianchi decal with a ferrari red outline/accent. Less contrived? or just enough?

Use the gugie decal. Keep 'em guessing!
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Originally Posted by liddokun View Post
For clarity sake, the frame was bought in good structural shape but poor cosmetic shape. The stem had corroded so badly it would not come out of the fork, I cut the stem. Decided to just take the opportunity to replace with CrMo fork.

I didn't even consider the misrepresentation factor, so that's important to keep in mind.
Your original question asked what the common practice was for this. From everything I've learned about vintage bike enthusiasts, they want full disclosure. I mean, why leave anything for guessing? Nearly every component has a name-brand stamped on it, so any visible component would be readily identifiable as to whether it is what it appears to be or not, and it's often not difficult to find out what OEM component would have been on a bike. These things are discernible by a simple visual inspection. But, a frame and fork which are both repainted, together, as if they're a unit, has no simple outside visible identifier, hence the decals which identify the material.

Putting the correct frame material decal on the frame, and the correct fork decal on the fork, eliminates either deception or unknowing misrepresentation. You're spending a chunk of change on a decent bike, new paint, refurbishment, etc, and seem concerned enough about the details to want public consensus in advance, so why leave one detail out?
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Originally Posted by gugie View Post
This one works with all tubing sets, even when they're mixed:

Are these still available somewhere?

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Originally Posted by jj1091 View Post
Your original question asked what the common practice was for this. From everything I've learned about vintage bike enthusiasts, they want full disclosure.




Yes, this is a good point.


Full disclosure it will be then.
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Are these still available somewhere?

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To be period correct, you could just get sticker that says guaranteed built with hi tensile steel . . . .
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Those decals generally tell you exactly what's going on- as I've learned by the myriad of discussions about 531CS.

When it says "built with xxx tubing". It doesn't say butted, it doesn't say frame, fork and stays, it doesn't even say CrMo...
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Leave it up to the observer:

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Originally Posted by gugie View Post
This one works with all tubing sets, even when they're mixed:

All tubing sets except full butted Reynolds 531 that is. My CDO demanded that I mention that.

Also, is there a French version of that decal? "Garanti non construit avec Reynolds 531 tubes reneforces fourreaux de fourche et arrieres?"
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Personally, I would go with just the frame tubing decal, and only that if the original frame had it. The Columbus fork should be identified by a stamp on the steerer and as a future potential buyer, seeing Tange and Columbus decals on the same frame would just cause me to question both.
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Well for starters does the Strada LX have a full ChroMo frame or only a main triangle? the '87 and '88 seem to be only main triangle but the '89 doesnt specify although I might suspect it is main frame only.
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Also, is there a French version of that decal?
Yep, from Mssr Weigle:



The decal's thrown in free if you purchase the frame.
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Originally Posted by gugie View Post
Yep, from Mssr Weigle:

Two comments here:

1) It seems I automatically read "PTR" as "pointer" even when looking at bike pictures. I think I need a vacation.
2) What's that apostrophe-s doing on a French decal?
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Yep, from Mssr Weigle:



The decal's thrown in free if you purchase the frame.

I love me a good bargain!
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What's that apostrophe-s doing on a French decal?
It is considered blasphemy to denigrate The Professor's work.
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2) What's that apostrophe-s doing on a French decal?
That little mark, called a grave accent, above the e, is not an apostrophe. It is there to emphasize e, a and u and common on many words in the French Language. This is better to help understand...

"The grave accent can be found on an A, E, or U. On the A and U, it usually serves to distinguish between homonyms; e.g., ou (or) v où (where)"
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