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Old 07-25-17, 06:01 PM
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Shifter compatibility

I have a 1985 Panasonic that I converted to a 7 speed free hub cassette. I may want to get rid of the friction shifters and go sti. I am running a mid 90s deore Mtb derailleur on this bike. Any compatibility issues with road shifters and a vintage Mtb derailleur?
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Any Shimano 7 speed shifters will work, except early (pre '97?) Dura Ace.

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Any Shimano 7 speed shifters will work, except Dura Ace.
What's different about dura ace?
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Different cable pull. They have to be matched with the DA derailleur.
edit Sheldon explains
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Couple of questions.....Do modern brifters work well with a stock 1985 road bar that would be on my Panasonic? I don't know the specifics of the bar other than it looks like all other bars from that era and is made in Japan. Also I have been reading that the shifter offerings don't lend well to downshifting from the drops as you cannot reach the thumb lever very well. Can anyone offer any experience on this? And lastly what are going to be the major differences between these 2 shifters (other than brand).

Microshift 7 Speed Road Levers > Components > Brakes & Shifters > Road Levers | Jenson USA

or the real deal?

https://www.bicyclebuys.com/shimano-...CABEgLhzvD_BwE
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Campy 8 and 9 speed Ergopower levers are basically friction shifters, work fine with 5,6,7 speed setups. Early Sachs 8spd brifters are Campy. This is old stuff you will have to search for a bit. Old, but had a very long lifespan w/o problems. Someone somewhere sometime complained about difficulty downshifting from drops because someone will always complain about anything.
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Originally Posted by 63rickert View Post
Campy 8 and 9 speed Ergopower levers are basically friction shifters, work fine with 5,6,7 speed setups. Early Sachs 8spd brifters are Campy. This is old stuff you will have to search for a bit. Old, but had a very long lifespan w/o problems. Someone somewhere sometime complained about difficulty downshifting from drops because someone will always complain about anything.
Thanks for the info but I already have friction shifters on the downtube of this bike. I don't want to go to another friction shifter as I wouldn't be gaining anything. I personally don't mind the friction shifters but I'm thinking of setting this bike up so my wife can ride it and she's not a really experienced rider so I'm trying to simplify things for her.
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Originally Posted by 63rickert View Post
Campy 8 and 9 speed Ergopower levers are basically friction shifters, work fine with 5,6,7 speed setups. Early Sachs 8spd brifters are Campy. This is old stuff you will have to search for a bit. Old, but had a very long lifespan w/o problems. Someone somewhere sometime complained about difficulty downshifting from drops because someone will always complain about anything.
This can be misleading. I'd label Campy Ergo 8's as complex friction shifters that function as well as any indexed system. Many consider them one of the best gearing systems ever as you could drop single or multiple cogs with the thumb and trim with finesse going up. No I don't want to debate this in this thread.

Trail_monkey, I think you're experiencing info overload. Buy any 7 speed Shimano STI system you want, except DA and get on with it. Yes there are other options out there but why bother?

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Originally Posted by clubman View Post
This can be misleading. I'd label Campy Ergo 8's as complex friction shifters that function as well as any indexed system. Many consider them one of the best gearing ever as you could drop single or multiple multiple cogs with the thumb and trim with finesse going up. No I don't want to debate this in this thread.

Trail_monkey, I think you're experiencing info overload. Buy any 7 speed Shimano STI system you want, except DA and get on with it. Yes there are other options out there but why bother?
Thanks brother! I will do that. I think I read somewhere that those sti shifters didn't fit oon vintage road bars that well for whatever reason idk but I will drop the bomb and get some. I don't see any reason they won't work just fine.
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STI shifters work just fine on vintage road bars. The diameter at the stem clamp may be different on modern bars, but once you get outside the center bulge for the stem, new and old road bars are all typically 23.8 mm.

You can check out Sheldon Brown's crib sheet for more detail:
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/cribsheet-handlebars.html
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Be aware that some Shimano left 'brifters' are double or triple crank specific. You'll have no problems with the rear Deore derailleur and a Shimano freewheel or cassette.

I prefer Campy 8's
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Microshift is also an option.

Edit: Sorry OP, didn't see you had already called these out. Good luck with the decision.

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Originally Posted by trail_monkey View Post
...And lastly what are going to be the major differences between these 2 shifters (other than brand).

Microshift 7 Speed Road Levers > Components > Brakes & Shifters > Road Levers | Jenson USA

or the real deal?

https://www.bicyclebuys.com/shimano-...CABEgLhzvD_BwE
I would go Shimano. I had a set of Microshift brifters and they rattled. I could not get it to go away, so got rid of them. Just one anecdotal datum, so take it for what it's worth.

Another, crazier thought would be to get a nice used 8s brifter setup - the spacing was identical to 7s. But the 7s Shimano setup should work just swimmingly.
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I would go Shimano. I had a set of Microshift brifters and they rattled. I could not get it to go away, so got rid of them. Just one anecdotal datum, so take it for what it's worth.

Another, crazier thought would be to get a nice used 8s brifter setup - the spacing was identical to 7s. But the 7s Shimano setup should work just swimmingly.

I will definitely keep that in mind. Thanks for the advice on the Microshifts
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Sorry to keep resurrecting this thread but I have another question. I pulled the plug and I have a set of Shimano Tourney 2x7 brifters coming along with downtube cable stops. They come with brake and shifter cables and housing which I presume will be black. I currently have blue colored Velo orange brake cable housing on this bike to match the blue letters. And I have a short section of that same blue housing back by the derailleur with friction shifters. I was wondering since this is a 7 speed and the tolerance is not as critical as a modern 10 or 11 speed, could I get by using my leftover blue colored brake cable housing on these brifters from the shifter down to the down tube stops or will doing that give me shifting problems?
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Indexed shifting, you're going to need the derailleur cable to avoid problems.
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Correct, when it comes to indexing, brake and shift housing are not interchangeable. And ahi ft housing must be made for indexing. I tried to use the original exposed metal RD housing on my wife's '85 Allez (pre-indexing) with an SIS 7400 RD and it was no go. Swapped in SIS housing and it was like buttah. If I had blue housing, I'd send you a foot.

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VO has derailleur cable in various colors - $10 for a bike's worth.
https://store.velo-orange.com/index....cable-kit.html
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@trail_monkey,

I have 20" piece of blue shift housing (not enough for an entire bike with brifters, unfortunately) and a 42" piece of matching blue brake housing. Send me a PM with your mailing address, and I'll get them in the mail to you ASAP, free.

For money, however, I used one of the linked Jagwire cable kits on my Miyata and was extremely impressed with the resulting feel, even on a bike with full-length rear brake housing. Scroll down through this link and you'll see that it comes in many colors including blue.

https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...&category=4385
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@trail_monkey,

I have 20" piece of blue shift housing (not enough for an entire bike with brifters, unfortunately) and a 42" piece of matching blue brake housing. Send me a PM with your mailing address, and I'll get them in the mail to you ASAP, free.

For money, however, I used one of the linked Jagwire cable kits on my Miyata and was extremely impressed with the resulting feel, even on a bike with full-length rear brake housing. Scroll down through this link and you'll see that it comes in many colors including blue.

https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...&category=4385
Thank you so much for that offer I appreciate it. Unfortunately since you don't have enough to do the whole bike it won't be much good for me. But I sincerely appreciate the kindness and generosity. And for the record if I had a use for 20 inches of that I would pay you the shipping and handling to get it to me.
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