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Old 12-10-21, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ollo_ollo View Post
I think there is something magical about that 18 bikes number. Last year, when Mrs. ollo 1st saw my workshop she said "I can't believe you have 18 bikes!" (she mis-counted by a few) In the spirit of honesty, I quickly admitted there were a few more, but I don't count those that are in pieces. Since our marriage a year ago, I sold 2, but now have 2 zero bikes in Florida. Plus, I donated another 1 but also bought a few more. She still tells everyone that I have 18 bikes. Good enough for me. Don
Amazing, @Andy_K has 18 hooks in his garage that are all used.

Is it possible we've discovered a natural limit that most keep at or under? @Spaghetti Legs, how many you gots? And if there's an issue, ship one out to the Atelier, we can call it a Zero Bike.
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Old 12-10-21, 11:01 AM
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I'm at 18 if I stop counting at 18.
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Old 12-10-21, 11:30 AM
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What constitutes a bike? I have several fully-disassembled "invisible" ones.
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Old 12-10-21, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by gugie View Post
@Spaghetti Legs, how many you gots? And if there's an issue, ship one out to the Atelier, we can call it a Zero Bike.
If he wants to send out one of those Italian racing beauties, maybe the Cinelli, I'd volunteer to take it out once in a while to make sure it hasn't developed any mechanical flaws while hanging on the hook.
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Originally Posted by gugie View Post
Amazing, @Andy_K has 18 hooks in his garage that are all used.

Is it possible we've discovered a natural limit that most keep at or under? @Spaghetti Legs, how many you gots? And if there's an issue, ship one out to the Atelier, we can call it a Zero Bike.
You know I was reading this thinking "around 16 or 18" is the number I toss out when asked how many I have but it's been a while since I counted. Surprised to find it's actually 21 + 4 (oops forgot the Masi on the stand) make that 5 frames. I am at the point though where I mostly transfer parts from one frame to the next so rarely add complete bikes to the stable. Of course I also said that when I had 16-17 bikes.
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If he wants to send out one of those Italian racing beauties, maybe the Cinelli, I'd volunteer to take it out once in a while to make sure it hasn't developed any mechanical flaws while hanging on the hook.
Andy, I am definitely most possibly almost to the point of considering selling a couple but the Cinelli aint on that short list. I got Andy 56 cm bikes in PDX so don't need a zero bike there, right?
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Old 12-10-21, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs View Post
I got Andy 56 cm bikes in PDX so don't need a zero bike there, right?
There's a theme tour - TdZeroBike - Buncha people fly in to a BF'er with 18 hooks, pick out one, off we go. @nlerner is very familiar with this concept.
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Old 12-10-21, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ollo_ollo View Post
Plus, I donated another 1 but also bought a few more. She still tells everyone that I have 18 bikes. Good enough for me. Don
Don, was that your Follis with the Simplex bar-end shifters that I saw the other day at NW Hub? First time I have ever seen those in real life.
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Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs View Post
Andy, I am definitely most possibly almost to the point of considering selling a couple but the Cinelli aint on that short list. I got Andy 56 cm bikes in PDX so don't need a zero bike there, right?
Well, I'm currently at 18 bikes plus 4 frames plus a zero bike in Maryland, but I recently heard my wife tell someone I had 15 bikes so I need an explanation handy for the other three, in case she counts. My story with one is that I plan to give it to Community Cycling Center but just haven't gotten around to it (that part is true). Maybe I can tell her one is for you to ride when you're in town and one is for @nlerner. Neal has at least ridden one, so it's a plausible story. Not quite a zero bike, but I've got a math degree so I'm very good at hand waving while giving an explanation that doesn't quite fully demonstrate what I claim it does.

The person who she told I had 15 bikes asked, "Why do you need so many bikes?" These non-bike people! They don't know nuttin'!

BTW, another pro-tip for people avoiding the S-1 limit... One of my "frames" is a fully built bike that I took the wheels off of for repair a few months ago. Now the wheels are stored in a pile with other spare wheels, and the "frame" is hanging from the ceiling between a couple of (mostly) bare frames. Any one of them could become a bike in time for a ride tomorrow if need be.
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Old 12-10-21, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by gugie View Post
There's a theme tour - TdZeroBike - Buncha people fly in to a BF'er with 18 hooks, pick out one, off we go. @nlerner is very familiar with this concept.
That's a brilliant idea! Put it on the calendar!
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Originally Posted by gugie View Post
There's a theme tour - TdZeroBike - Buncha people fly in to a BF'er with 18 hooks, pick out one, off we go. @nlerner is very familiar with this concept.
Wait a sec: if I fly to PDX and ride one of yours or one of @Andy_Kís bikes, and itís not a zero bike that I keep there for my visits, then itís a -1 bike, thereby reducing my total fleet! Oh, maths are powerful.
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Fascinating idea. Thereís an analogue in the chemical reaction world.

Having a zero bike, or two, or three, may help keep you away from the dreaded bike activation limit, where once arguing starts it wonít stop until an overall lower number of bikes is retained. It sounds like an average bike activation limit is approximately 18. God forbid you add a catalyst like complaining about a spouseís spending spree on shoes or similar, or you may lower the dreaded bike activation limit.

Arrhenius gave us the equation, donít pretend he didnít warn us.









Or another way to say this, if youíre at bike equilibrium, but you add too many bikes (could be one, could be a dozen), you might not find equilibrium again until the final number of bikes is less than the original. Zero bikes exist outside the reaction zone and therefore have no effect on the system.

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Originally Posted by AJI125 View Post
Fascinating idea. Thereís an analogue in the chemical reaction world.

Having a zero bike, or two, or three, may help keep you away from the dreaded bike activation limit, where once arguing starts it wonít stop until an overall lower number of bikes is retained. It sounds like an average bike activation limit is approximately 18. God forbid you add a catalyst like complaining about a spouseís spending spree on shoes or similar, or you may lower the dreaded bike activation limit.

Arrhenius gave us the equation, donít pretend he didnít warn us.

Or another way to say this, if youíre at bike equilibrium, but you add too many bikes (could be one, could be a dozen), you might not find equilibrium again until the final number of bikes is less than the original. Zero bikes exist outside the reaction zone and therefore have no effect on the system.
Methinks there's a Nobel Prize there somewheres.
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Originally Posted by johnnyace View Post
Don, was that your Follis with the Simplex bar-end shifters that I saw the other day at NW Hub? First time I have ever seen those in real life.
That's the one. I kept the Nisi wheelset though. Don
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