Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Lemond model comparison chart - 853

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Lemond model comparison chart - 853

Old 09-10-17, 10:35 AM
  #1  
Iowa10Speed
Iowa10Speed
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Iowa
Posts: 56

Bikes: 87 Schwinn Prologue, 85 Trek 720, 86 Panasonic Pro Touring. projects 98 Zurich, 75 Voyageur II, 81 Raleigh Competition GS

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 6 Times in 3 Posts
Lemond model comparison chart - 853

I built this comparison of Lemond models to help me shop for a Reynolds 853 frame. It has all 853 models from 1996-2003 except Maillot Jaune.

The spreadsheet file also has all models regardless of frame material.

The information came from the Lemond catalogs and spec sheets on the Vintage-Trek site.


Lemond_853_comparison.jpg


Spreadsheet:

Lemond Model and Frame comparison_sorted by year and model.zip
Iowa10Speed is online now  
Old 09-10-17, 11:33 AM
  #2  
dunrobin
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 546

Bikes: colnago titanio oval master, pinarello treviso es, centurion prestige, tomac ti 26er, lemond buenos aires, mbk 753, vitus 992 and zx1, rocky mountain hammer disc,bd century titanium, specialized venge expert

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 129 Post(s)
Liked 36 Times in 19 Posts
I'd keep an eye out for the later true temper platinum models as well. I have a 2001 Buenos Aires and a 2007 sarthe...the sarthe is definitely stiffer and lighter while providing a steel feel. I don't think you can go wrong with any of lemonds steel bikes, but account for the long top tube when sizing.
dunrobin is offline  
Old 09-10-17, 12:47 PM
  #3  
nlerner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 14,089
Mentioned: 333 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2117 Post(s)
Liked 1,567 Times in 831 Posts
Thanks! I had figured that the carbon fork on my '00 Zurich was a replacement, but looks like the original was CF.
nlerner is online now  
Old 09-10-17, 01:00 PM
  #4  
jamesdak 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Utah
Posts: 6,432

Bikes: Too many to keep this current.

Mentioned: 116 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1545 Post(s)
Liked 821 Times in 441 Posts
That is awesome!! Thanks for taking the time to compile all of that and then sharing it.
__________________
Steel is real...and comfy.
jamesdak is offline  
Old 09-10-17, 01:32 PM
  #5  
Lazyass
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: NC
Posts: 8,337

Bikes: Vintage steel, aluminum, modern carbon disc, single speed, MTB's, the works

Mentioned: 60 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2014 Post(s)
Liked 87 Times in 55 Posts
I had a '97 Zurich and it was a sweet ride. But the Lemond's/Trek's of that era had horribly thin paint. Mine would chip if you breathed on it, same for the '98 Trek 8000 I had.
Lazyass is offline  
Old 09-10-17, 01:42 PM
  #6  
jamesdak 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Utah
Posts: 6,432

Bikes: Too many to keep this current.

Mentioned: 116 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1545 Post(s)
Liked 821 Times in 441 Posts
Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
I had a '97 Zurich and it was a sweet ride. But the Lemond's/Trek's of that era had horribly thin paint. Mine would chip if you breathed on it, same for the '98 Trek 8000 I had.
Boy, that's a fact but I think they got it better over the years. My 2000 Zurich seems real soft and is quite bad but the paint on the 2003 looks almost mint.
__________________
Steel is real...and comfy.
jamesdak is offline  
Old 09-10-17, 02:26 PM
  #7  
Chombi1 
Senior Member
 
Chombi1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 3,351
Mentioned: 94 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1180 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 212 Times in 160 Posts
Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
I had a '97 Zurich and it was a sweet ride. But the Lemond's/Trek's of that era had horribly thin paint. Mine would chip if you breathed on it, same for the '98 Trek 8000 I had.
Yes, paint was a weak area with Lemond's bikes, but I noticed more how bad the color combination choices were on his frames, more than the thinness of it......especially the blue/yellow/black ones...... They just ended up kinda looking cheap to me..... JMO
__________________
72 Line Seeker
83 Davidson Signature
84 Peugeot PSV
84 Peugeot PY10FC
84 Gitane Tour de France.
85 Vitus Plus Carbone 7
86 ALAN Record Carbonio
86 Medici Aerodynamic (Project)
88 Pinarello Montello
89 Bottecchia Professional Chorus SL
95 Trek 5500 OCLV (Project)

Last edited by Chombi1; 09-10-17 at 10:19 PM.
Chombi1 is offline  
Old 09-10-17, 08:50 PM
  #8  
Whit51 
Senior Member
 
Whit51's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Reston VA
Posts: 507
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 71 Post(s)
Liked 36 Times in 31 Posts
Great chart! When I had some free time on vacation in August I did the same thing using the catalogs on vintagetrek.com . Your spreadsheet is more coherent than mine! My motivation was identifying all models with 853 frames and steel forks.
Whit51 is offline  
Old 09-11-17, 09:50 AM
  #9  
McBTC
Senior Member
 
McBTC's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 3,805

Bikes: 2015 22 Speed

Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1512 Post(s)
Liked 19 Times in 14 Posts
2000-2001 was a transition year-- my 2001 BA was the last BA with a quill stem whereas my centennial Zurich was the last of that model with a quill stem.
McBTC is offline  
Old 09-11-17, 10:13 AM
  #10  
Caliwild
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 695
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 182 Post(s)
Liked 22 Times in 20 Posts
Thanks for the chart! Quick question: would you pay $500 for a near mint 2003 Zurich? Thanks in advance...
Caliwild is offline  
Old 09-11-17, 10:25 AM
  #11  
Andy_K 
Senior Member
 
Andy_K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 12,917

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 357 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2136 Post(s)
Liked 715 Times in 384 Posts
I guess I'm the third person to respond who owns a 2001 Buenos Aires. I have to say it's one of my favorite bikes. I previously owned a 2001 Nevada City, and that was pretty nice too.

I've got my BA built up with 3x10 5700-series 105 groupset and ~1850 gram wheelset. It weighs 22.2 pounds, including pedals, bottle cages, computer and mirror. So not super light, but with lighter components I would imagine you could build one around 20 pounds. Personally, I'm quite happy with 23-25 pound bikes.

I've read a few people complaining that the carbon forks from this era (and specifically those on the LeMonds) are too noodly. I haven't noticed that at all myself, but I would probably feel more confident in the long term durability of one of the steel forks.

The non-853 chain stays have a minuscule effect on weight, and they give you the ability to fix rear alignment problems (a dicey proposition, if necessary, with 853 stays). The 853 stays are probably stiffer, but I'm not entirely convinced that's a good thing. The models with 525 stays are usually significantly cheaper. I got my Nevada city for $300 as a complete bike and was able to sell the components for about that much, so it was like a free frame.
__________________
My Bikes
Andy_K is offline  
Old 09-11-17, 11:36 AM
  #12  
nlerner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 14,089
Mentioned: 333 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2117 Post(s)
Liked 1,567 Times in 831 Posts
I actually have 3 Lemonds at the moment: a '97 Buenos Aires that I've fitted with 650B x 38mm wheels/tires, a very corroded '98 Tourmalet, which is on my wind trainer, and a '00 Zurich that's not built up. The BA is one of my main riders, and it's terrific with fatter tires, both fast and comfortable. I take it on fast 50 milers and 200k brevets. The red paint has held up very well, too, after lots of miles in the last four years.
nlerner is online now  
Old 09-11-17, 01:38 PM
  #13  
Classtime 
Senior Member
 
Classtime's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 2,719

Bikes: 81 Medici, 2011 Richard Sachs, 2011 Milwaukee Road

Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1023 Post(s)
Liked 411 Times in 288 Posts
I'm curious why no Maillot Jaune. Was that just a Zurich with Dura Ace? My go fast bike for 6-7 years was a MJ with 7700 group and Bont Race X-lite wheels that weighed just under 17 lbs. It's gone now, but I would like to try one with a well done steel fork. I thought maybe it was the carbon fork that caused my insecure feeling while cornering on fast descents.
Classtime is online now  
Old 09-11-17, 01:39 PM
  #14  
fishboat
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: SE Wisconsin
Posts: 1,038

Bikes: Lemond '01 Maillot Jaune, Lemond '02 Victoire, Lemond '03 Poprad, Lemond '03 Wayzata drop bar conv(Poprad), '79 AcerMex Windsor Carrera Professional(purchased new), '88 GT Tequesta(purchased new), '01 Bianchi Grizzly, 1993 Trek 970 drop bar conv

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 384 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 263 Times in 157 Posts
As a recent acquirer of a near showroom 2001 (853) Maillot Jaune, I'm feeling...doesn't matter as I understand why. I'm a little jammed for time this week, but I think I'll take the initial list and add the MJ and some other 105 and up(?..open to suggestions of what's most useful) models. Thanks to the OP for assembling the list..
fishboat is offline  
Old 09-11-17, 06:43 PM
  #15  
55/Rad
Form*r Ho*rd*r
 
55/Rad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 11,734

Bikes: Seven Axiom, Dave Moulton Fuso

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
The 853 Maillot Jaunes are feeling left out.

__________________
55/Rad is offline  
Old 09-11-17, 06:58 PM
  #16  
Dirt Farmer
Senior Member
 
Dirt Farmer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Madison, Wi.
Posts: 1,161

Bikes: Jamis Quest Elite; Fuji Sagres; Trek Fuel EX 8

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 322 Post(s)
Liked 57 Times in 41 Posts
Thank you!

A shame these bikes are no longer being made.
Dirt Farmer is offline  
Old 09-11-17, 07:02 PM
  #17  
Iowa10Speed
Iowa10Speed
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Iowa
Posts: 56

Bikes: 87 Schwinn Prologue, 85 Trek 720, 86 Panasonic Pro Touring. projects 98 Zurich, 75 Voyageur II, 81 Raleigh Competition GS

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 6 Times in 3 Posts
So sad that the 853 Maillot Jaunes feel neglected! No slight intended. I figured my chances of seeing one in my area were so low I left it off my list.

Unless someone beats me to it, I'll try to add the MJ's. I also noticed a tiny revision on 2003 Zurich's (and MJ too). The spec manual says it had 725 stays, not 853 Pro.
Iowa10Speed is online now  
Old 09-11-17, 08:28 PM
  #18  
jamesdak 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Utah
Posts: 6,432

Bikes: Too many to keep this current.

Mentioned: 116 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1545 Post(s)
Liked 821 Times in 441 Posts
The Maillot Jaunes do seem more common in the Billato built era for Greg's bikes in terms I what I see up for sale. I love my TSX one and would be so tempted by an 853 one. Heck, I'm tempted by every Lemond I see.
__________________
Steel is real...and comfy.
jamesdak is offline  
Old 09-11-17, 08:29 PM
  #19  
jamesdak 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Utah
Posts: 6,432

Bikes: Too many to keep this current.

Mentioned: 116 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1545 Post(s)
Liked 821 Times in 441 Posts
Originally Posted by 55/Rad View Post
The 853 Maillot Jaunes are feeling left out.

Sweet! What's your address and when is the bike left alone?
__________________
Steel is real...and comfy.
jamesdak is offline  
Old 09-12-17, 06:45 AM
  #20  
fishboat
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: SE Wisconsin
Posts: 1,038

Bikes: Lemond '01 Maillot Jaune, Lemond '02 Victoire, Lemond '03 Poprad, Lemond '03 Wayzata drop bar conv(Poprad), '79 AcerMex Windsor Carrera Professional(purchased new), '88 GT Tequesta(purchased new), '01 Bianchi Grizzly, 1993 Trek 970 drop bar conv

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 384 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 263 Times in 157 Posts
Originally Posted by fishboat View Post
As a recent acquirer of a near showroom 2001 (853) Maillot Jaune, I'm feeling...
OK.."..no pic it didn't happen..", here's a couple pics of my first Lemond, an MJ. I'm sourcing OEM (3TTT) stem and bars now.



fishboat is offline  
Old 09-13-17, 10:29 AM
  #21  
fishboat
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: SE Wisconsin
Posts: 1,038

Bikes: Lemond '01 Maillot Jaune, Lemond '02 Victoire, Lemond '03 Poprad, Lemond '03 Wayzata drop bar conv(Poprad), '79 AcerMex Windsor Carrera Professional(purchased new), '88 GT Tequesta(purchased new), '01 Bianchi Grizzly, 1993 Trek 970 drop bar conv

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 384 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 263 Times in 157 Posts
Just completed my first shake-down & adjustments ride on the MJ. A quick 25 miles over roads that vary between new asphalt to chipseal to old-crack-laden asphalt and concrete. Nice..very very nice..and on 23mm tires to boot. My main ride over the last 37 years, which I love, is a race-geometry, lugged, 2x butted Columbus SL frame. I recently rented a carbon Synapse and Roubaix for a day a piece. Having all those as a comparison, I can see why folks speak so highly of 853 Lemonds...definitely a keeper. Pleasure to ride.
fishboat is offline  
Old 09-13-17, 10:26 PM
  #22  
Iowa10Speed
Iowa10Speed
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Iowa
Posts: 56

Bikes: 87 Schwinn Prologue, 85 Trek 720, 86 Panasonic Pro Touring. projects 98 Zurich, 75 Voyageur II, 81 Raleigh Competition GS

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 6 Times in 3 Posts
Happy to report that after 2-3 years of waiting, I finally scored a very nice red '98 Zurich. Stumbled on a fresh 2-hour old posting on Craigslist and pounced. $200 asked and gladly paid. Stoked! It's one size bigger than my usual frame but I couldn't pass it up.

I'm hoping a shorter stem will make it fit well enough, despite the warnings about long top tubes. Pics to follow (eventually).
Iowa10Speed is online now  
Old 09-14-17, 03:49 AM
  #23  
theblackbullet
Senior Member
 
theblackbullet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Georgia
Posts: 653

Bikes: I don't even

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 37 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
No love for the Poprad?!?

Here's my 2002. 853 is a sweet ride. I just wish this guy was a few cm larger.

theblackbullet is offline  
Old 09-14-17, 04:47 AM
  #24  
fishboat
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: SE Wisconsin
Posts: 1,038

Bikes: Lemond '01 Maillot Jaune, Lemond '02 Victoire, Lemond '03 Poprad, Lemond '03 Wayzata drop bar conv(Poprad), '79 AcerMex Windsor Carrera Professional(purchased new), '88 GT Tequesta(purchased new), '01 Bianchi Grizzly, 1993 Trek 970 drop bar conv

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 384 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 263 Times in 157 Posts
Originally Posted by Iowa10Speed View Post
Happy to report that after 2-3 years of waiting, I finally scored a very nice red '98 Zurich. Stumbled on a fresh 2-hour old posting on Craigslist and pounced. $200 asked and gladly paid. Stoked! It's one size bigger than my usual frame but I couldn't pass it up.

I'm hoping a shorter stem will make it fit well enough, despite the warnings about long top tubes. Pics to follow (eventually).

Congrats! Two beans..a steal for a Zurich(depending on condition). I think a stem will solve your one size larger issue. I generally ride a 56cm** and got a 55cm MJ, though I could have ridden/fit a 57cm Lemond(57.6cm eff-top tube) also. For comparison's sake..the 55cm Lemond (853) frame has a 56.5cm (eff)top tube..exactly the same length as a 56cm Roubaix.

**I also ride 58cm & 60cm C&V frames, all setup with similar "Handlebar Reach" distances with standard stems(90-100mm)..they're all comfortable for the up to 60 mile day-rides I do.
fishboat is offline  
Old 09-14-17, 08:28 AM
  #25  
dunrobin
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 546

Bikes: colnago titanio oval master, pinarello treviso es, centurion prestige, tomac ti 26er, lemond buenos aires, mbk 753, vitus 992 and zx1, rocky mountain hammer disc,bd century titanium, specialized venge expert

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 129 Post(s)
Liked 36 Times in 19 Posts
P_20170914_102305.jpg

2007 lemond sarthe true temper built up to 18lbs now. Feels contemporary but keeps steels feel. Used an 11-32 sram xxx cassette and sram force bits with a fulcrum rs crankset. This was supposed to be my winter rider but things have changed.
dunrobin is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.