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Vintage builder critique - let's see some artistry.

Old 09-15-17, 03:11 PM
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Vintage builder critique - let's see some artistry.

I will set somewhat arbitrary date parameters of 1970-1990. Set aside ride quality for the present. Who had mad build skills? Don't forget the pictures!
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since you mentioned artistry, let me post an article from Bicycle Guide, which looks at the work of Glenn Erickson and Columbine (the Murphy brothers). I'm guessing this was late 80's or early 90's.

















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I'm in for this one :
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Well I'll just throw this out there. I don't really have anything especially nice at the moment, but the Davidson I had for a while was nicely crafted. [edit] oops I think I broke my own rule; this was a '92 I believe.
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Klein Aluminum with press fit cartridge bearing bottom brackets...those were pretty sweet and the integrated welded stems on the MTB's were neat.
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Mike Barry and Mike Brown built (a pair?) of these in '81 for a brevet ride over the Pyrenees. Sweet crankset. Custom racks. Sublime lights and wire runs. Check out the shifter treatment. Brazed lever for dyno engagement. Then there's the frame paint. All I'd want... in a 54 cm please.







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Neither of my '82 Columbines have lugwork as fancy as shown in the Bicycle Guide article, but I don't think they necessarily need to be fancy to show skill/artistry:








'83 DiNucci, respray by Brian Baylis:




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'85 Weigle Special Road:


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'78 Kvale Road:



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'70-'90 is a big spread. Tilting to the early part of the timeline in the USA:
DiNucci and or Strawberry Racing Cycles would be up there.
Art Stump- not many but intricate- designed his own dropouts too.
Mario Confente- for causing a stir among American builders in 1977.
Albert Eisentraut - definitely influenced others, by example and teaching.
Tom Ritchey- influence grew later but was working in the 70's.
Plenty more but these guys influenced others pretty early in the time range- set a standard.
Second tier- Pino Morrioni, Freddy Parr, Jim Merz.
Later- Brian Baylis and Richard Sachs.
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I don't have one, not that I don't want one but Llewellyn makes or made(?) some beautiful things.
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Neither of my '82 Columbines have lugwork as fancy as shown in the Bicycle Guide article, but I don't think they necessarily need to be fancy to show skill/artistry:
Totally agree. I can appreciate the skill necessary to make fancy lugs but they just aren't my thing. When I started the thread I was thinking more about clean, impeccable lug lines like on the bikes you posted. I guess in that sense there would be a lot of overlap with the American builders thread.
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A too small Eisentraut I once owned. My photography skill doesn't do it justice. Don
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Gordon's sometimes-seen asymmetrical lug treatment, like this one here, really makes my knees wobbly. I can't think of anybody else who does this with any regularity. It'd be hard to do something similar without looking unoriginal. Sculpting a set of graceful, symmetric lugs is tough enough---making the lines asymmetric and liquid like this takes it a notch higher.

I've seen this flame-like design, and another, a little simpler, with progressively larger lug holes. If I ever snag another Gordon, it's gonna be one with the lug holes.

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'76 Peter Mooney Road: I don't recall seeing another frame with a scallop at the front of the seat lug; notice how that treatment is echoed in the bb shell, at the chainstay junction---





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'91 David Tesch 101: Tesch designed the 101 as a no-nonsense go-fast machine, and it looks it. The seatstay plug treatment looks similar to Dave Moulton's Fuso frames.



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'76 Peter Mooney Road: I don't recall seeing another frame with a scallop at the front of the seat lug; notice how that treatment is echoed in the bb shell, at the chainstay junction---
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I love this thread! Very impressive framebuilding. I have violated your rules with a picture of an early 1960s top-of-the-line Capo Sieger.
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Mike Barry and Mike Brown built (a pair?) of these in '81 for a brevet ride over the Pyrenees. Sweet crankset. Custom racks. Sublime lights and wire runs. Check out the shifter treatment. Brazed lever for dyno engagement. Then there's the frame paint. All I'd want... in a 54 cm please.






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I love this thread! Very impressive framebuilding. I have violated your rules with a picture of an early 1960s top-of-the-line Capo Sieger.
Well I did say the dates were arbitrary; besides, rules were made to be broken. Some amazing stuff posted!
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My fanciest lugs are on a 2005 Mercian Vincitore road fixed gear. Past the (arbitrary) cutoff, but '05 Vincitore lugs are pretty much the same as a '75, '85 or '95, and the frame is 531. The extended head tube does give it a modern touch, though.

Vincitore lugs are hand-carved from blanks. My frame is a standard Vincitore, without the mega-long bb tangs of a Vincitore Special. She's still special to me, natch.






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