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Old 10-12-17, 11:57 AM   #1
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Vintage Mavic Components - Collectability & Rarity?

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Hope it's OK to start a thread on this. So I have a Mavic groupset sitting on a bike I've owned a couple years, which I've taken off because someone was interested in buying it all. I don't know much about Mavic and considered it a bit of an afterthought after my bike mechanic kinda didn't make much of it when I mentioned the group to him.

Anyways - so I met a collector last week. He tells me Mavic was like 2X the cost of DA back in the day, and was priced even more expensive than the best Campy stuff. He says pricewise, its basically on par now with CR.

I always kinda knew Mavic had a bit of a following, but I thought that the following was pretty narrow. I didn't think at all that this stuff was actually pretty sought-after. (is it?) So what's the deal with these parts? CR level? Or collected within a narrow band of collectors? I have an assortment of Campy stuff I am keeping as parts. Are these pieces keepers too?
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Old 10-12-17, 11:59 AM   #2
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Ive only seen this groupset twice in my lifetime. Once at a Velo ride in Pasadena on bike and now.
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Keep it. Is it off of a last gen Peugeot PX? They were one of the only bikes to spec the full group, including the handlebars and stem.
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Off a Ciocc.

It was missing the FD (had a campy one in place). Actually, missing one pedal (I have the other one). Anyone know what model FD goes with this? I want to track it down.
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I've seen this groupset once or twice before. It's sweet. I have the hubs and the FD . . . I've been looking for the RD that goes with it.

VeloBase.com - Component: Mavic 860

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It's kind of funny that the only thing not branded Mavic are the rims. Had Mavic bought Wolber by then?
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It's kind of funny that the only thing not branded Mavic are the rims.
I thought that was kinda ironic too. The only other Mavic stuff I have are rims.
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Old 10-12-17, 12:54 PM   #8
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Love the headset.

Shifters are OEM Simplex? Seem to remember hearing that.

Nice stuff overall. Have a "Starfish" crank floating around somewhere...
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I have a Campy bike, a Supebe bike, a D/A bike. Would love to build a Mavic and a Zeus bike to round things out.
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Eddy Merckx models can sometimes be found with Mavic components. I have two wheelsets with Mavic 501 hubs. Excellent quality, on par with Campagnolo Record hubs IMO.
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If you have the special unique shop wrenches* for that headset that would boost the value.
*their numbers: basic, 671-672 .. Pro set 674-675

Its the 801 RD, [SSC 851 CD Anodized the side pieces]

front numbers: 810 , band, 812 for Italian type braze on..

ref, Paper catalogs from the early 90's..





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I like it because everyone has Rec and Super or C. Limited amounts, expensive and great looking. I vote keep. That is pretty much a full earlier group. Starfish and seatpost were not available til later.

The shifters are Mavic with part numbers, but made by Simplex. Your hubs may have an SSC stamp on the side if they are SSC. Bars, stem and BB are tough to find. Crank caps, near impossible.

Mercian and a few others were distributors. I think Mercian was one of the biggest.

SSC Brochure. https://static.wixstatic.com/media/e...0_0.00_jpg_srz
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...iQF8ff3DqWg_YY.

SSC.
https://mavic.exposure.co/special-service-course

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Old 10-12-17, 01:35 PM   #13
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Cool. I remember some early pros riding that stuff BITD. I always lusted after the erector set derailleurs. The SSC group did indeed cost a bit more than campy super record, IIRC. Shimano wasn't quite taken seriously yet at the time the SSC stuff came out.

The shifters are rebranded Simplex retrofrictions, and the brakes are rebranded Modolo. FWIW

Don't let anyone sucker you into selling this groupset cheap.
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I’ve used those Mavic 501 hubs for many miles. Amazingly smooth bearings, but be cautious with the aluminum axles, especially with a wide spaced freewheel hub.
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The brakes look like Modolo Speedy. Their 2nd tier offering.
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I built a frame for my wife's cousin in 1991 and he chose the then current "starfish" group. Gorgeous stuff.
I've been riding a set of the 550 hubs since that time, no maintenance ever, still smooth.
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Some of the items in their component groups are actually re-branded components from different manufacturers. The Retrofriction shifters, as already noted, were from Simplex. Their clipless pedals from Look, brakesets, from Modolo and I think from DiaCompe. I've also heard suggestions that their stems were from a Japanese maker.
Which makes me wonder why Mavic did not just go ahead and come up with their own designs for these items as they had proven they are certainly competent enough to do so with their seatposts, hubs, headsets, bars, bottom brackets, derailleurs, quill pedals and rims...
Additonal point is, you cannot always assume that a "Tout Mavic" build is a "Tout French" build......
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More Mavic info: Mavic bottom bracket, the road to perfection ? Le Cycleur
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I've got some NOS Mavic S.S.C rims, they are very hard to find and are sought after as they are what a lot of pros used back in the day.

Those hubs are really excellent, mine spin forever and haven't needed much maintenance at all.
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The only problem to me is that those hubs are 126mm..if it were 130s alllll of my bikes would be running those along with the newer version, 571s which I already do~ Ive learned a lot about Mavic components given Ive only known them for their wheels, but they are very nice components with great thought process put into them.

Shoot, hopefully the narrow following is just me...send em all my way! Loll. Put them on a vintage 6-7 spd and ride the hell out of it. Youll like em! But dont fall in pit of 'mavic obsession'...its a deeeeeep rabbit hole..and frankly not enough room for both of us.
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When I built up my Grand Jubile from a bare frame, I felt the biggest score was a set of these hubs. The passage of time only makes them more valuable, but they were built to ride, so I do. Don
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The brakes look like Modolo Speedy. Their 2nd tier offering.
That may be the case. The SSC appear to be Modolo Pro orMaster Pro with sintered brake pads.

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Shoot, hopefully the narrow following is just me...send em all my way! But dont fall in pit of 'mavic obsession'...its a deeeeeep rabbit hole..and frankly not enough room for both of us.
Haha!

The early SSC wheels were only available to pros and mechs from what I read. The group designed for them and may explain cost. It's also impressive Mavic has been around almost as long as bikes. Dating way before other parts manufacturers (1800s). I think that adds to the lore as well.

The timelines out there are great. The first more detailed and the second more supporting pics and info.

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I have most of a group (missing brake levers if I recall) and I've always wanted to try it...need the right frame. The bars are really neat.

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I think part of the reason for the high cost of the SSC rims was because they were heat treated. Not certain on this though. Anyone know the answer? While were on it, anyone know the alloy they were made from?
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I think part of the reason for the high cost of the SSC rims was because they were heat treated. Not certain on this though. Anyone know the answer? While were on it, anyone know the alloy they were made from?
I think Mithril.
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