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What C&V technology or standard are you giving up on?

Old 11-16-17, 12:35 PM
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What C&V technology or standard are you giving up on?

I have nothing against the old stuff, and I still prefer some of it, but there are things I'm getting out of.

I will soon convert my last bike with 27" wheels to 700c.

That conversion will also usher out my last thread-on freewheel, replacing the hub with a cassette hub.

And I will no longer have any friction-shifting bike. I really don't mind friction shifting at all, but I happen to be doing this.
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Will, I prefer threadless stem and vertical dropouts. The friction shifting I can live with. Not bothered by freewheels. I don't have anymore 27 inch wheels.
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Unlined cable housings, friction-driven generators and (most) steel rims. Other than those, I'm perfectly happy with the ancient stuff.
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I want to replace my janky freehub 7 speed with a 6 speed freewheel so I don't have to spread the stays. I find myself oddly attracted to threaded freewheel clusters. They're like Fidget Spinners.
I'm getting over the quill stem set-up. Don't know if I want look around for a threadless fork or just stick to a quill-stem adapter.
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Freewheels and skinny tires. Cassette axles are stronger, and I like 8 cogs.

I much prefer vertical dropouts, but I can live with horizontals if the rest of the frame is likeable.
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I don't know that I've completely given up on anything, but certainly some C&V tech was inferior to what replaced it. Often there was a trade off though. Even if some old tech was improved upon, there may have been certain advantages that were lost. At the top of that list is toe clips and straps. Clipless is a big improvement over the old system, but with toe clips you weren't required to put on the cleats. The bike could still be ridden with regular shoes. Similarly quill stems were inherently kind of a poor design structurally, but the easy adjustment was a good feature that was lost. Horizontal dropouts are sort of a pain, but it allowed you to put a fixed gear on in winter, as was once the fashion.
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For me it was the brakes.
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Single Pivot brakes
Freewheels
non-ergo bars
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Old 11-16-17, 01:35 PM
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Steel rims, gumwall tires, incandescent lighting. The rest is ok.
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Toe clips and straps. For the last three years, I have used old-school pedals with clips and straps for the Eroica California ride, and each time I have been reminded why I never looked back when I made the switch to clipless close to 25 years ago.
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Rod brakes, wooden rims, and putting a raw steak in my shorts to use as a chamois (and eating it after the ride).

https://www.secret-training.com/blog...chamois-cream/
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Originally Posted by gugie View Post
Freewheels and skinny tires. Cassette axles are stronger, and I like 8 cogs.

I much prefer vertical dropouts, but I can live with horizontals if the rest of the frame is likeable.
+1 to all of that list.
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Originally Posted by Colnago Mixte View Post
Rod brakes, wooden rims, and putting a raw steak in my shorts to use as a chamois (and eating it after the ride).

https://www.secret-training.com/blog...chamois-cream/

LOL, I'm pretty sure the steak thing was a joke.

Also, real chamois was used in cycling shorts into the mid 80s. There were some synthetic chamois IIRC as early as 83 or so, but they were terrible.

At the end of the 70s people were using wool shorts, with leather chamois. Skin shorts took over in 1980, more or less overnight. Unlike most tech, there was almost no transition period. Skin shorts originally used natural chamois like the wool shorts that preceded them.
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switched to 700c because its easier to build the same size wheels and i definitely want aluminum rims on everything. i love friction shifting but my gf doesnt so there is that... sometimes more modern brakes are better.oh, and all my bikes have modern dyno hubs and led lights.
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I keep a fixed gear bike in my office in case I need to run a quick errand or I want to take a quick spin at lunch. It's my last bike with toe clips.

A couple of my bikes have commuter-style pedals that have SPD on one side and can take a regular shoe on the other side.
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My C&V engine will be 60 next week. I'd gladly trade for a newer model, especially with a better neck. The quirk stem on my current headset doesn't work well anymore.
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I can't think of any one particular thing I have disowned at this point other than I don't ride BMX as its just weird to watch old men on 20" bikes. LOL! I believe the older I get I will gravitate to a different type of setup and probably be done with down tube shifters and skinny tires. Wait, one thought, 6 speed is not enough for regular rides with faster groups. I don't think I need 11 but who knows if everything goes to one up front. Something like that is interesting.
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Cup n Cone bottom brackets- I still use them on a couple of my bikes, but when i build up frames, i use sealed cartridge or modern bottom bracket setups. I cant imagine seeking out a Cup n Cone setup for a new build. They are perfectly good, but sealed cartridge square taper BBs are simply easier to install and maintain, and perform perfectly fine for my needs.

Downtube shifters- they are fine to use and all, but I prefer bar end shifters, STIs, or Gevenalle shifters(which are bar ends on the brake levers). My bikes are large and the distance down to shift is just annoying. I can do it, ive done it for a long time, etc etc but if given the choice, I would pick bar ends and STIs every time.

Friction shifting- i like friction shifting and have have it on the front chainrings of a few of my bikes, but ive found myself moving away from rear friction shifting for a few reasons- mostly I find I want wider range cassettes so I can use my bikes more often regardless of the type of ride Im going on, and with wider range comes wanting more cogs so the jumps arent as wide. That inevitably leads to indexed shifting.
I am getting ready to sell my last fully friction bike. Wasn’t planned this way, just naturally moved toward is over the last 2 years.

130BCD cranksets– I have no use for them right now. Give me 110BCD every day of the week. For all my older bikes, Im using 1980s Sakae/Sugino 110/74 triples with no inner granny ring. Gives a 50/34 compact crank with period correct look. Again- its so I can use my bikes more frequently- I can use any of them on longer rides with climbing and not struggle.
My beautiful Sugino Mighty, Shimano 600, etc cranksets just sit in bags on a shelf. Too bad because they are really well made and nice looking.
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I was going to build up a 650b wheelset with a freewheel hub and planned on 7 speeds, but I got a cheapo NOS Shimano freehub that *mostly* visually matches the Sansin front hub. I like that I can have a 12-tooth small cog on the cassette, which will give me a decent top end relative to the planned 52-14 combo, and more gearing choices for the low end.

Otherwise, I like the anachronisms on my other bikes, since I have a modern bike.
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I like to leave off the front derailleur on my personalized rides and use a wide range cassette. But I haven't lived in mountainous regions, so that would probably change.

I don't want to admit it, but v-brakes are better than cantis. I put Tektro mini-vs on a touring bike with Tektro ergo levers and the difference was astonishing. Better modulation, better stopping distance. They don't look nearly as nice as cantis, but I might end up swapping out the rest of the fleet.
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Toe clips and straps. I held onto them a couple years beyond most back in the day, but now 30 years down the road, my release reflex is tuned to clipless pedals. It's the one thing that I don't feel comfortable switching back and forth with. I'll use them if I have to, such as in an eroica event, but I would rather not. I could add a lot more thing in a thread about new "technologies" that I could do without. I love vintage bikes, but I have modern ones as well. I have never considered myself a retrogrouch, but some of the stupidity being foisted upon the market under the guise of innovation and improvement is ridiculous.
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I'm in the midst of standardizing across my collection, so slowly dropping 27" as they wear out, and using 700c with presta valves. Also loosing the skinny tires for 28mm at minimum. I don't want a bunch of tube and tire sizes. I do have one bike with a theeadless stem and I'm thinking about ditching it for continuity across the stable.
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