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Old 12-13-17, 01:36 PM
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I don't understand why so many of you are interested in skirting the rules or sticking it to the "elitists". What then is the point of the Eroica? If they allow CF bikes with brifters it just becomes another bike event, it is no longer the Eroica. I do the Lake Pepin 3 Speed Tour & though my 1960's Armstrong has been modified, it is a 3 speed & I think it would be ridiculous & beside the point to show up with anything else.
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Originally Posted by MeadMan2 View Post
I don't understand why so many of you are interested in skirting the rules or sticking it to the "elitists". What then is the point of the Eroica? If they allow CF bikes with brifters it just becomes another bike event, it is no longer the Eroica. I do the Lake Pepin 3 Speed Tour & though my 1960's Armstrong has been modified, it is a 3 speed & I think it would be ridiculous & beside the point to show up with anything else.
It can still be a celebration of cycling's heritage without restricting the types of bikes used. The focus of the event and the other attractions scheduled the day of will still be centered on the nostalgia.

For the event to thrive and perpetuate year after year, it may make sense to open it up. There are many riders that love the sport and appreciate the history that may not care to own and ride a vintage bike. Some of these folks may just enjoy riding along and admire and have no intention of bucking the system. In fact, if you just open it up to all then you take that factor away.

Alternately I see the value in maintaining the purity of the event, that would be great to see as long as it was sustainable.
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Good points.
Also worth remembering that in Italy they have a pro level Strada Bianca event in the Spring that uses the same route but permits modern CF bikes and pro riders.
So maybe in the long term there will be a similar pro level event in California....
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Originally Posted by Moose View Post
It can still be a celebration of cycling's heritage without restricting the types of bikes used. The focus of the event and the other attractions scheduled the day of will still be centered on the nostalgia.

For the event to thrive and perpetuate year after year, it may make sense to open it up.
I have thoroughly enjoyed the four Eroica's I have ridden primarily because of the party-like atmosphere and on-road camaraderie between all the cyclists proudly showing off their vintage machines and happily dressing in period-appropriate attire. Opening the ride up to non-vintage bikes would make it just another century ride just like the hundreds of other regular century rides that are available and would completely spoil the fun of this event IMHO. The Eroica organizers have set up a great event with absolutely minimal rules to ensure that the great character of the ride stays intact. If you don't agree with the rules, then you don't want to ride Eroica. It's as simple as that. There are plenty of other great rides that don't have these rules.
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Old 12-14-17, 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by MeadMan2 View Post
I don't understand why so many of you are interested in skirting the rules or sticking it to the "elitists". What then is the point of the Eroica? If they allow CF bikes with brifters it just becomes another bike event, it is no longer the Eroica. I do the Lake Pepin 3 Speed Tour & though my 1960's Armstrong has been modified, it is a 3 speed & I think it would be ridiculous & beside the point to show up with anything else.
They are not skirting the rules, re:non-"racing" bikes. The rules specifically suggest steel lugged frame bikes older than 1987, and have other suggestions as noted in my post above.

As for the modern bikes on the NOVA ride, per Eroica California's Facebook page, the NOVA portion will be starting an hour earlier, and will have different timed sections for teams to compete in, so its unlikely the vintage and modern groups will mix or meet. As I understand it, NOVA Eroica is already an Eroica sanctioned event done at a different time from the Italian L'Eroica event to allow modern cyclists a chance to run a course similar to L'Eroica, and in a more competitive event, both pro and amateur.

So, IMO, this is Eroica California's version to allow modern bikes and cyclists a chance to tackle the Coastal Route and have some competition (teams) thrown into the mix. Check EC Facebook page for more info. IMO, its likely done to allow for more riders to take part without necessarily mixing the two era cyclists or cycles. Plenty of folks here at BF and elsewhere have wanted a chance to ride the Eroica course without having to use a vintage bike for various reasons. I look at this optional event as a way for Eroica California to expand and grow and gauge the possibility of both the Eroica and NOVA portions to either co-exist on the same day, or portend a separate modern event if interest is high enough.

Last year there were about 850-900 vintage cyclists. If it could grow to 950-1000 vintage and add 200 NOVA riders/teams, that would help add revenue for future events, plus grow the donation to local Hospice programs - win-win. The total # of riders is capped at 1500, and it would be great to see that many people there!

Originally Posted by Moose View Post
It can still be a celebration of cycling's heritage without restricting the types of bikes used. The focus of the event and the other attractions scheduled the day of will still be centered on the nostalgia.

For the event to thrive and perpetuate year after year, it may make sense to open it up. There are many riders that love the sport and appreciate the history that may not care to own and ride a vintage bike. Some of these folks may just enjoy riding along and admire and have no intention of bucking the system. In fact, if you just open it up to all then you take that factor away.

Alternately I see the value in maintaining the purity of the event, that would be great to see as long as it was sustainable.
Exactly! The Eroica California is a uniquely California event so the rules, especially for these first few events, have been flexible and pragmatic. The addition of Aero brake handles allows more bikes in, the NOVA event expands the reach to the cycling public without necessarily diluting the Vintage "Leisure" ride and fun parts. Cycling for the sheer joy (and exhaustion/fatigue) of it is central to the event. Modern bikes might have a bit more mechanical / technological advantage for climbs, but its still the rider who has to achieve it. In any case, I suspect most of the groups will likely stay with their own like minded groups. But many of us C&V have a modern bike or two, and we might convert some of those who only know CF/Aluminum over to nice shiny chromed steel.

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Good points.
Also worth remembering that in Italy they have a pro level Strada Bianca event in the Spring that uses the same route but permits modern CF bikes and pro riders.
So maybe in the long term there will be a similar pro level event in California....
Agree!

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I have thoroughly enjoyed the four Eroica's I have ridden primarily because of the party-like atmosphere and on-road camaraderie between all the cyclists proudly showing off their vintage machines and happily dressing in period-appropriate attire. Opening the ride up to non-vintage bikes would make it just another century ride just like the hundreds of other regular century rides that are available and would completely spoil the fun of this event IMHO. The Eroica organizers have set up a great event with absolutely minimal rules to ensure that the great character of the ride stays intact. If you don't agree with the rules, then you don't want to ride Eroica. It's as simple as that. There are plenty of other great rides that don't have these rules.
Correct, and I agree with you. However, the lure of vintage bikes in the US/California is much smaller (and dwindling if our older population dynamics eventually tells us) than it is in Italy and UK. For Eroica California as a whole to survive, it is important to potentially identify if there's a market / draw for a similar event for modern bikes, AKA NOVA Eroica, which could add #'s of riders and potentially a whole separate event.

I stumbled on another classic "Big Ride" which is just the week before - Campagnolo Gran Fondo San Diego
The 2018 Campagnolo Gran Fondo San Diego. Here, any bike is allowed and it looks like a blast - similar hilly terrain inland, of course beautiful San Diego as Start/Finish, and plenty of fun at whatever pace you want to ride at. I really don't think folks would look down at anyone not using a "modern" bike, just that they are not familiar with it. I agree that there's tons of non-vintage events, and only a few Vintage-centered events in the US currently, but for Eroica California being so young, its important to let the organizers work out what it will take to sustain the event for years to come, to get additional sponsors, more riders, and most importantly, as much exposure as possible.

Remember for all, our cycling and cycling racing history is relatively small and unknown, much like tennis, soccer, and even golf. This is opposed to Italy where cycling, auto racing, and soccer dominate (because they don't compete with Football, baseball, and basketball and maybe hockey as our major sports). So reaching out to modern cyclists with an eye on seeing how they integrate or create their own Eroica event is important in sustaining the original Eroica California.
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Old 12-14-17, 01:57 PM
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I'll be switching from 27's to 700c on the Le Tour, for a better tire selection and to dump the heavy steel wheels.
Any suggestions on where to find aluminum wheels that are plain Jane... nothing modern looking?
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