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Old 11-25-17, 03:35 PM
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Sometimes I like doing weird things with bikes just because I can...

...so here's my (semi-) modernized take on a Raleigh Lenton Sports. Introducing the Raleigh "Three-Way"! It's a 2008 Raleigh One-Way with a few little mods...
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Old 11-25-17, 03:46 PM
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I like it. Very Steampunk. You get lots of comments on it?
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How's the SA shifting with that lever? What kind of chain guard did you use?
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen View Post
I like it. Very Steampunk. You get lots of comments on it?
I just finished the build this afternoon and haven't really had a chance to ride this particular setup yet. I've done something similar before, but it was a bit more frankensteined, and I don't remember getting much in the way of comments from people who noticed the weirdness on their own. Usually it was pointed out by me!
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Some just don’t appreciate subtle, yet quirky details.
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I like it, looks like a well thought out build for a multipurpose bike. What's on the front spokes?
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Originally Posted by 9volt View Post
How's the SA shifting with that lever? What kind of chain guard did you use?
As long as you get 2nd gear dialed, it works well. Main thing is to be aware of the trim clicks on the shifter - always shift through them, pretend they don't exist, and when in doubt - downshift. The chainguard is the Velo Orange one that mounts to the BB.
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Originally Posted by sloar View Post
I like it, looks like a well thought out build for a multipurpose bike. What's on the front spokes?
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May be weird by some...

But I think it's kind of funky with excellent looking execution. Looks to be awesome commuter or errand bike.
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But fortunately you have us!

I look forward to a ride report.

Have you tried the new(ish) SA three speed bar end shifter? I like it. A little expensive but I've found it very reliable. Perhaps the best three speed shifter SA has ever made (but this could be a function of age... All the proper SA triggers I've used were 50+ years old and perhaps worn out).
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Originally Posted by rhm View Post
But fortunately you have us!

I look forward to a ride report.

Have you tried the new(ish) SA three speed bar end shifter? I like it. A little expensive but I've found it very reliable. Perhaps the best three speed shifter SA has ever made (but this could be a function of age... All the proper SA triggers I've used were 50+ years old and perhaps worn out).
I've had the bike for a while, set up relatively stock in its original single-speed setup, and I've also done a similar build to this before, so I've already got a pretty good sense of how it rides. Main difference is the option of gears and the new longer stem that I installed.

I don't really like the bar-end shifter, I would definitely hit my knee on it a lot. The real purpose of this bike is to be something I can ride in the winter (it'll get studded tires soon), so I like having the shifter where it's easily accessible but also not in the way of anything. I played around with a few ideas before settling on the left-hand STI setup when I did it originally, and I gave it some thought again this time around. One of the differences between this build and the first time I did it, is that the brake levers are much closer to matching. Last time I had a 9-speed 105 lever for the left hand, and a Tektro R200 lever for the right, so the lever shapes were noticeably different, and I found that annoying. I had the Tiagra lever lying around at home and didn't have much use for it otherwise, so I removed the up-shift lever and shifted it to the cable-tight position so the lever will move inward as little as possible when braking.
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Originally Posted by rhm View Post
But fortunately you have us!

I look forward to a ride report.

Have you tried the new(ish) SA three speed bar end shifter? I like it. A little expensive but I've found it very reliable. Perhaps the best three speed shifter SA has ever made (but this could be a function of age... All the proper SA triggers I've used were 50+ years old and perhaps worn out).
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sturmey-Arc...k4RiJcA_Prwl-A

not that expensive....
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Well that bike just confuses me.



The thing about three speed hubs is that the shifters are made for 7/8" (aka 22.2mm) handlebars. Putting a three speed shifter on a 15/16" (aka 23.8 mm) aluminum drop bar can be challenging, and you often end up with the shifter in a spot you don't want it. That was the problem I assumed @agmetal was trying to solve. The bar end shifter is one of very few other options. I dislike integrated "brifters" so the bar end is a good solution for me, but clearly agmetal prefers brifters. Cool.
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Originally Posted by rhm View Post
Well that bike just confuses me.



The thing about three speed hubs is that the shifters are made for 7/8" (aka 22.2mm) handlebars. Putting a three speed shifter on a 15/16" (aka 23.8 mm) aluminum drop bar can be challenging, and you often end up with the shifter in a spot you don't want it. That was the problem I assumed @agmetal was trying to solve. The bar end shifter is one of very few other options. I dislike integrated "brifters" so the bar end is a good solution for me, but clearly agmetal prefers brifters. Cool.
generally speaking i confuse everyone. my main ride is a bob jackson world tour with 8 speed cassette and half step and granny gearing. with the letour i just wanted to use my 1954 aluminum shelled aw hub. i like shifting down at the stoplight and i need some seriously low gears for my town with its steep river bluffs. hence the triple in front. it gives me a granny and halfstep from 27 to 80 inches. the real point of posting was the 3 speed bar end shifter. it works great. imo better than any of the older sa shifters.
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I have a steamroller that in the winter I ride with moustache bars, a 3 speed SA, 42/18 gears ands studded Schwalbes. Works well on ice and moderate snow. It has an SA bar end shifter .
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generally speaking i confuse everyone. ... the real point of posting was the 3 speed bar end shifter. it works great. imo better than any of the older sa shifters.
Oh, yes, agree. That shifter is excellent, no matter where you put it.
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The thing about three speed hubs is that the shifters are made for 7/8" (aka 22.2mm) handlebars. Putting a three speed shifter on a 15/16" (aka 23.8 mm) aluminum drop bar can be challenging, and you often end up with the shifter in a spot you don't want it. That was the problem I assumed @agmetal was trying to solve. The bar end shifter is one of very few other options. I dislike integrated "brifters" so the bar end is a good solution for me, but clearly agmetal prefers brifters. Cool.
Yep, that's pretty much accurate. I did also consider putting a trigger shifter on it, but there was just no reasonable way that was gonna fit on the handlebar.

I found some pictures of the original, even-more-frankensteined version of this basic idea, affectionately referred to as the Stupid Franken-3-Speed....
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generally speaking i confuse everyone. ... with the letour i just wanted to use my 1954 aluminum shelled aw hub. i like shifting down at the stoplight and i need some seriously low gears for my town with its steep river bluffs. hence the triple in front. it gives me a granny and halfstep from 27 to 80 inches. the real point of posting was the 3 speed bar end shifter. it works great. imo better than any of the older sa shifters.
I fully appreciate the attraction of hybrid IGH-derailleur gear systems, having commuted to UCLA for several years on a Sturmey AW hub with a 14-16-18-20 Cyclo cogset. I tucked the S-A trigger under the left (drop bar) brake lever and used a standard Simplex right side downtube shift lever for the Campag. GS derailleur. As you said, dropping into the low range at a stoplight was one pleasure of the system. Mine gave me a very useful gear range of 39 to 99 gear-inches, with the 40T ring up front and 26" tires.

I have also shifted a coaster brake AW hub with a friction downtube lever. Shifting was no big trick -- 1st and 3rd were obvious, and 2nd was just above 1st. With the coaster brake, the neutral position between 2nd and 3rd came in handy for pedal repositioning at stoplights.
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I like it.... a lot!
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I like the balance of the OP's bike. The post, stem, and crankset, fenders really stand out.

I no longer call anything a Franken-bike, or let them get too close to female riders.
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A couple thoughts, things noticed while riding this evening - the tube diameters prevented me from using Sturmey-Archer cable guides like I'd originally hoped to, and the pulley sticks out noticeably further than an SA one does. As a result, I notice my right leg brushing against it, and I also touch the cable lightly when pedaling, especially standing up. Unfortunately, I don't think there's a good way to shave down the pulley clamp to make it lower-profile, so I guess I'll have to learn to deal with it. That, or go about the cable routing in a different way, but I really like the way it looks with the pulley. I suppose it might be possible to put an SA pulley a bit lower on the seat tube (it expands from 28.6mm to 29.8mm an inch or two below the top tube), but that might make it harder to shoulder the bike, which happens quite frequently. Maybe moving the pulley closer to the top tube/seat tube intersection will help? Alternatively, maybe I can find a suitable shim to make the pulley clamp fit the top of the seat tube - but I don't know if any of these solutions will get it out of the way at all.

Also, AW hubs have a lot of space between points of engagement, so something that really doesn't bother me at all on a more upright bike is a little annoying with this setup. This is particularly true when standing on the pedals.
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@agmetal what is that chainring, crank and cover? They fit together so nicely!
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@agmetal what is that chainring, crank and cover? They fit together so nicely!
Luck, mostly - the crank, including the chainring and chainring guard, are stock on the bike. It's an SR Suntour Superbe single crank with a 42t ring and a guard that's large enough to cover a 44t ring, and the 44t size Velo Orange chainguard
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