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Old 11-30-17, 05:21 PM
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Date my old Peugeot

I just brought an old Peugeot home from the Bike Exchange to clean up. My guess is it dates from the 60's sometime but I thought I would post a few pics so you all could weigh in on the likely age.

There is a number stamped on the rear drop out . it is 288383

The seat tube decal says trophe de France and Tube special Allege.

It came with 27" steel rims with normandy hubs. the front wheel axle has wing nuts . the back has regular nuts.

The brakes are Mafac labeled Dural Forged.(not "racer")

It has a cottered steel crank and Taiwanese pedals.

It had simplex down tube shifters.

The rear derailleur is a suntour 7 gt and the front is a Falcon( both replacements )

The lugs have what I would call art deco cutouts.

The head badge is riveted on light gauge metal and has come unglued at the sides but is still all there.

If anyone can give an opinion on the date it would be appreciated.

The paint is wine colored and not in too bad shape. I am going to clean it and sand with 1000 grit then clear coat it.

If anyone can tell me what color it is that would be great. Also can someone tell me if those would have been the original brake levers. Those levers look like they are for drop bars but they also look like they work with the bars as shown. I intend to keep the bars. just not sure about the levers. I have a pair of Weinman levers that might be more appropriate with these bars.
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Old 11-30-17, 05:35 PM
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Those lugs are usually called by C&Vers as "Aztec" style lugs, commonly found on 70's model Peugeot U08's.
Thus, I assume, the bike most like dates from the early 70's......
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Those lugs are usually called by C&Vers as "Aztec" style lugs, commonly found on 70's model Peugeot U08's.
Thus, I assume, the bike most like dates from the early 70's......
... except that the decals and the 6-digit serial number both suggest a rarer 1960s model. I like the older Peugeot graphics on the downtube.
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my gf would object to my dating your bike. she thinks i spend too much time with my bikes...... there i said it.
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Brake levers original; bar has been changed from a drop type.

Sounds from your description like a model A08.

Date: 1967.

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Old 11-30-17, 07:40 PM
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Great color, and box lining too. Bonus!
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I would guess about 1963.

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I cleaned the old lacquer off the chrome on the fork ends with Acetone today then rubbed with tinfoil. The chrome came out looking like new.

I then lightly sanded the paint with 1000 wet dry paper, cleaned everything with alcohol, wiped with tack cloth , and sprayed a clear coat over everything using Rustoleum clear specialty lacquer. It looks fantastic. I wasn't sure what kind of lacquer was in the can so I called Rustoleum and asked. They told me it is acrylic and is fine for outdoor use.

I also had some "painters Solvent" which I bought thinking it was mineral spirits. It definitely is not. It is mostly acetone and should not be used for cleaning old painted surfaces. It will rub the paint right off. It did do a good job of wiping off the old clear lacquer on the fork tips though.
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Thanks very much for the update, sounds great.

You mention chrome on the fork - this would suggest frame more of a U08 model than an A08.

When working with headset be careful not to break the anchoring pin that goes into the adjustable race.

If they did not come with the bike make sure to get the correct stepped ferrules for the housing stops on the frame.

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Nice! Love the color.

There's a '63 on Pedalroom that looks similar:

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That is the bike.

Was the pin striping on these bikes hand done? A lot of it is still there on this bike but there are places where it is worn away. I don't think I have a steady enough hand to fill in the gaps. Is there any trick to it?
I am going into the bike exchange this Saturday to use their cotter press to try to get the cranks off. The drive side has been welded at sometime in the past and is no bueno. I have a nice shiny 52, 40 crank from a U 08 that I am going to put on.

Also in the bin was a Suntour 14- 32 tooth 5 speed freewheel that should play well with the Suntour 7 gt rear derailleur. I really want to get rid of the down tube shifters. Outside of cutting the shifter boss off of the down tube and putting a clamp on cable stop over the spot is there any way to do this.
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I did a little more looking and came up with this site"

https://www.pedalroom.com/bike/1962-peugeot-ao-8-30282

I think, based on the additional evidence, that it is this bike.

Two further details that clinch the date are that it has "Dural" Mafac brakes. The 63' had "Racer" Mafac's. also, there is a detail at the top of the chain stays that looks like an upside down stick man. On the 63' and later models that spot was blank.

So, I am going to say this is a 1962 A 08.
Now the question is what should I do with it?

I still have what are probably the original French steel wheels and freewheel . I also have a pair of 27 x 1 Aluminum Rigida wheels with large flange Normandy hubs and galvanized spokes.

I was originally thinking of eliminating the front derailleur and making it a 7 speed with upright bars and thumb shifter.
Because of its age and potential as an Eroica bike I could keep the front chain rings and down tube shifters and put drop bars back on it. I pulled a set of aluminum drop bars out of the bin Saturday that I think are from an old French make. They have a stylized “M” etched in to the aluminum each side of the stem. Mercier? I also have a period correct set of Mafac levers as well. Heck, I also have an All steel Simplex Rear derailleur model SX 610 and one of the black plastic ones.

If this is some rare artifact does it need to be preserved as received or do I have permission to make a few upgrades like Suntour V x front and rear derailleurs and suntour Pro Comp14-32 five speed freewheel and the aluminum wheels. I would keep the old parts together to sell with the bike.
Personally, I feel a bike should be built to be ridden and I think the upgrades would make it a nice ride.
I have decided to clear coat the frame after my great result with the fork and I think the bike will be stunning when it is back together shod with 27 x 1 1/8 gum walls and white cables.
So which is it ? Period correct with steel wheels and old Simplex, or mostly correct only with nice polished Alu wheels and Suntour derailleurs? Or to hell with that and build it up any way I want because it isn’t worth much anyway?

By the way, On the 62 the down tube shifters look different from the standard tin Simplex ones I have seen in the past. Is that possibly a Huret shifter?

I am going to have to stop throwing away vintage parts if i keep finding old bikes like this to play with. I had some Huret shifters a while back but I think I tossed them out mostly because they looked terrible and weighed a ton. And because I have changed all my road bikes to upright bars and thumbies!

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one other thing I forgot to mention.

It has what may be the original Leather Saddle.

It is not a Brooks or Ideale. What embossing on the side I can read looks like Henri something. The leather is in pretty good condition with a lot of shallow cracks but nothing that would prevent it from being ridden.
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Sounds like you have the original Henri Gauthier saddle.

Does the fork have chromed socks?
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Sounds like you have the original Henri Gauthier saddle.

Does the fork have chromed socks?
Yes, according to his earlier post.
"I cleaned the old lacquer off the chrome on the fork ends with Acetone today then rubbed with tinfoil. The chrome came out looking like new."
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Originally Posted by capnjonny View Post

If this is some rare artifact does it need to be preserved as received or do I have permission to make a few upgrades like Suntour V x front and rear derailleurs and suntour Pro Comp14-32 five speed freewheel and the aluminum wheels. I would keep the old parts together to sell with the bike.
Personally, I feel a bike should be built to be ridden and I think the upgrades would make it a nice ride.
I have decided to clear coat the frame after my great result with the fork and I think the bike will be stunning when it is back together shod with 27 x 1 1/8 gum walls and white cables.
So which is it ? Period correct with steel wheels and old Simplex, or mostly correct only with nice polished Alu wheels and Suntour derailleurs? Or to hell with that and build it up any way I want because it isnít worth much anyway?
I think you'd do well to use the wheelset with the Rigida aluminum rims, they'd have much better braking and would still preserve the vintage look. And yes, use the new drop bars and Mafac Racer levers, they just look right. Gumwalls and white cables would be perfect. As to the shifters and derailleurs, I've not had any problems with the Simplex stuff as far as performance, and I've used them often. But, there's nothing fancy-looking about them, so there's nothing wrong with upgrading to a different maker if it improves the look for you. The Suntour group would perform well.

Sounds like a fun project, and a beautiful frameset. Looking forward to seeing the results.
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Another clue that verifies this is pre-bike boom is the phone number on the bike shop sticker. Be sure to post those pics in the "Post Your Old Bike Shop Stickers" thread!
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On the drop bar with the M markings you found suggest to check the centre diameter. If you have the bicycle's original stem its clamp will have been made for a bar with a 25.0mm centre diameter.

Fine research you are doing there. Would expect the original gear system to have been a Juy white delrin Prestige one.

On the wedgebolts for the chainset you will need the special Peugeot ones of 9.0mm diameter with the heavy "cut."

Mechanicing tip - you will find an exposed pin on the adjustable head race. This fits into a hole on the lock washer. Take care when reassembling and adjusting the headset. Folks sometimes manage to snap it off with rough wrenching.

IIRC I think Jocelyn's closed many years ago. This transfer is somewhat of a generic one offered by a trade association at one time. The name of the shop could be placed in the outer ring and the address/phone at the bottom. It saved the shop owner some of the setup/artwork costs.

Thank you for sharing these updates.

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On the wedgebolts for the chainset you will need the special Peugeot ones of 9.0mm diameter with the heavy "cut."
If it helps, even with the right cotter pins you may need a bit of judicious filing to get it to fit correctly.
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Yes, according to his earlier post.
"I cleaned the old lacquer off the chrome on the fork ends with Acetone today then rubbed with tinfoil. The chrome came out looking like new."
Oops, I forgot I had already read that.
Thanks, for the correction.
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Since the fork has chrome, the bike is probably not an AO8.
It is probably an UO8, the early UO8s seem to be more commonly found.
I have seen very few early AO8s.
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Since the fork has chrome, the bike is probably not an AO8.
It is probably an UO8, the early UO8s seem to be more commonly found.
I have seen very few early AO8s.
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Also it has the covers on the MAFAC brake levers.

As I recall them the A08's came with bare levers.

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Also it has the covers on the MAFAC brake levers.

As I recall them the A08's came with bare levers.

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Hello Juvela,

Oops again, I see you pointed out the AO8/UO8 chrome detail above in post #9.

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Was the pin striping on these bikes hand done?
Judging by the painter's thumbprint on my '72-'73 UO-8, I'm pretty sure it was.
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https://www.pedalroom.com/bike/1962-peugeot-ao-8-30282

Peugeot 1963-1964 Master Catalogue

https://www.google.com/search?q=1962...Yf9o6C1XQ3cnM:

based on this iinfo I am going to now say the bike is a 62 U08 .

Actually, the catalogs don't list U08 as a model. Perhaps that was a U.S. model designation.

My specific reason for saying 62 is that the 63 catalog shows the forks to have the spear decal. The 62 shows the boxed pin striping which mine has.

Also , neither catalog shows the rubber covers on the brake levers and half hoods. I'm guessing this was either an option or came from a later bike.

I have completed cleaning and prepping the frame for a clear coat and am going to spray it today. I found a color nail lacquer that is a near perfect match for the paint and used to do some minor touch up .

I am lucky in that my daughter is the Imelda Marcos of nail polish. She has probably 500 different bottles of the stuff, color coded and sorted by type.
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