Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

What do you mean, "it's all downhill from here?"

Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

What do you mean, "it's all downhill from here?"

Old 12-13-17, 11:02 AM
  #1  
jonwvara 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
jonwvara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Washington County, Vermont, USA
Posts: 2,913

Bikes: 1966 Dawes Double Blue, 1976 Raleigh Gran Sport, 1975 Raleigh Sprite 27, 1980 Univega Viva Sport, 1971 Gitane Tour de France, 1984 Lotus Classique, 1976 Motobecane Grand Record

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 298 Post(s)
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
What do you mean, "it's all downhill from here?"

Sorry for another frivolous post, but these are the kinds of thinks you end up thinking about after ten days of sitting around with bronchitis:

Is "it's all downhill from here" good or bad? In a cycling context, it's almost always good, as in "Cool! Here we are at Emery Pass--it's all downhill from here." But in other contexts it's the opposite, as in "Old Uncle Joe was doing pretty well, but then he broke his hip and it was all downhill from there."

It seems to me that both meanings are used about equally. And a maybe I'm imagining this, but when the analogy is used in the present tense (the Emery Pass example), it generally has a positive meaning. When it's in the past tense (the Old Uncle Joe example) it's more often the negative version.

And what about "a rolling stone gathers no moss?" Is it good to gather moss, or is it something that should be avoided?

Life is so complicated sometimes.
__________________
www.redclovercomponents.com

"Progress might have been all right once, but it has gone on too long."
--Ogden Nash
jonwvara is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 12:55 PM
  #2  
RobbieTunes 
Half drunk? Finish!
 
RobbieTunes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Very Southern Indiana
Posts: 25,789
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 347 Post(s)
Liked 97 Times in 68 Posts
I think it's the medicine.
__________________
Robbie ♪♫♪...☻
I have unfinished business.

RobbieTunes is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 12:57 PM
  #3  
RobbieTunes 
Half drunk? Finish!
 
RobbieTunes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Very Southern Indiana
Posts: 25,789
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 347 Post(s)
Liked 97 Times in 68 Posts
Now that you mention it, "downhill from here" should mean easier. It probably originally did, until someone confused it with a runaway train. Not that a train wreck is bad, since Gomez Adams was so cool.

The rolling stone/moss thing implies recklessness to me, and I'm not a big Stones fan, nor Bob Dylan, nor Dylan Thomas, so I've ignored that through life. No moss has gathered in that respect.

I'm more earthy; don't need no stinkin' batches.
__________________
Robbie ♪♫♪...☻
I have unfinished business.

RobbieTunes is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 01:12 PM
  #4  
Hudson308 
Mr. Anachronism
 
Hudson308's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: City of Lakes
Posts: 1,530

Bikes: fillet-brazed Chicago Schwinns, and some other stuff

Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 344 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 24 Times in 18 Posts
When pedaling around the backroads near Two Harbors, MN it meant a good thing.
SawbillTrail09a.jpg
0630141030.jpg

However when smelling 65 year-old drum brake shoes while coming back down from Pikes Peak, I wasn't so sure.
P1017155.jpg

What were your thoughts when snapping that picture in your avatar?
__________________
"If we don't change direction soon, we'll end up where we're going." -Irwin Corey

Last edited by Hudson308; 12-13-17 at 07:04 PM.
Hudson308 is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 01:39 PM
  #5  
Spaghetti Legs 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Central Virginia
Posts: 3,216

Bikes: Numerous

Mentioned: 69 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 801 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 17 Times in 15 Posts
I think “good” when I hear “it’s all downhill from here” as opposed to “bad” when “ downhill” is used as a descriptor as in “this place has really gone downhill” or “Uncle Joe’s health has really gone downhill” . I guess going down the hill is pretty good but maybe when you’re at the bottom, things ain’t so hot. I’m going downhill right now and having fun with it but boy maybe it will be tough when I have to start pedaling again!
__________________
N = '96 Colnago C40, '04 Wilier Alpe D'Huez, '10 Colnago EPS, '85 Merckx Pro, '89 Merckx Century, '85 Moser, '86 Tommasini Professional, '04 Teschner Aero FX Pro, '05 Alan Carbon Cross, '86 De Rosa Professional, '82 Colnago Super, '95 Gios Compact Pro, '95 Carrera Zeus, '84 Basso Gap, ‘89 Cinelli Supercorsa
Spaghetti Legs is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 01:59 PM
  #6  
Bikerider007 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: AZ
Posts: 2,376

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 25 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 432 Post(s)
Liked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Well it also depends on the bike you are riding. A fixed gear with no brakes can be scary as hell.
__________________
Bikerider007 is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 02:57 PM
  #7  
jonwvara 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
jonwvara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Washington County, Vermont, USA
Posts: 2,913

Bikes: 1966 Dawes Double Blue, 1976 Raleigh Gran Sport, 1975 Raleigh Sprite 27, 1980 Univega Viva Sport, 1971 Gitane Tour de France, 1984 Lotus Classique, 1976 Motobecane Grand Record

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 298 Post(s)
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by Hudson308 View Post
When pedaling around the backroads near Two Harbors, MN it meant a good thing.
Attachment 592155
Attachment 592152

However when smelling the 65 year-old drum brakes while coming back down from Pikes Peak, I wasn't so sure.
Attachment 592153

What were your thoughts when snapping that picture in your avatar?
Ah, the Hurricane Mountain Road on the Maine/NH border--1,200 vertical feet in about two miles! I was happy to be on top and looking forward to the downhill, although it turned out to be mildly terrifying. So I enjoyed the thought of going downhill, but then it sort of went downhill from there.

Edit: That first picture of yours with the lake in the background is pretty alarming.

Old Guys, Steep Hills - Red Clover Components
__________________
www.redclovercomponents.com

"Progress might have been all right once, but it has gone on too long."
--Ogden Nash

Last edited by jonwvara; 12-13-17 at 03:00 PM.
jonwvara is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 03:23 PM
  #8  
nlerner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 12,107
Mentioned: 247 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1100 Post(s)
Liked 15 Times in 14 Posts
As always with things language-related, context is everything, Jon!
nlerner is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 03:27 PM
  #9  
jonwvara 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
jonwvara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Washington County, Vermont, USA
Posts: 2,913

Bikes: 1966 Dawes Double Blue, 1976 Raleigh Gran Sport, 1975 Raleigh Sprite 27, 1980 Univega Viva Sport, 1971 Gitane Tour de France, 1984 Lotus Classique, 1976 Motobecane Grand Record

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 298 Post(s)
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
I think it's the medicine.
Crap! I was sure we had another bottle of NyQuil here somewhere!
__________________
www.redclovercomponents.com

"Progress might have been all right once, but it has gone on too long."
--Ogden Nash
jonwvara is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 03:39 PM
  #10  
non-fixie 
Shifting is fun!
 
non-fixie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: South Holland, NL
Posts: 7,736

Bikes: Yes, please.

Mentioned: 190 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1060 Post(s)
Liked 44 Times in 36 Posts
If used in past tense it's bad: "it all went downhill from there"

If used in future tense it's good: "it'll all be downhill from there"

Don't ask me why. I'm not a native English speaker.
__________________
Reasons to be cheerful!
non-fixie is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 03:49 PM
  #11  
Andy_K 
Senior Member
 
Andy_K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 12,051

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 288 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1739 Post(s)
Liked 20 Times in 18 Posts
The question is moot. If you scan the literature, you'll find that oversight of proper definitions has led to a dusting of words in the English language that literally mean two opposite things. My qualified opinion is that this is a tendency worthy of citation.

To address the original question, I have a T-shirt from Whistler Bike Park that says "It's all downhill from here." At Whistler, that's absolutely a good thing. Unless you're one of those odd people who likes climbing. I actually know someone who claims going up steep hills is his favorite thing about mountain biking. I don't understand.
__________________
My Bikes
Andy_K is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 04:30 PM
  #12  
noglider 
aka Tom Reingold
 
noglider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: West Village, New York City
Posts: 37,060

Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1973 Raleigh Twenty, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem

Mentioned: 420 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5398 Post(s)
Liked 97 Times in 73 Posts
@Andy_K, I understand. I love climbing.
__________________
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog

“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author

Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
noglider is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 04:31 PM
  #13  
RobbieTunes 
Half drunk? Finish!
 
RobbieTunes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Very Southern Indiana
Posts: 25,789
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 347 Post(s)
Liked 97 Times in 68 Posts
Who says we're just bike geeks?

I doubt anyone who knows us. Play with that sentence a while.
__________________
Robbie ♪♫♪...☻
I have unfinished business.

RobbieTunes is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 05:36 PM
  #14  
Chrome Molly 
Senior Member
 
Chrome Molly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Forksbent, MN
Posts: 3,277

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 296 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
A good context, before the half hour downhill on Trail Ridge Road to Estes

As I get older, this is how I'm choosing to think about it
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
IMG_3668.jpg (472.7 KB, 329 views)
Chrome Molly is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 05:40 PM
  #15  
gomango 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: STP
Posts: 14,892
Mentioned: 64 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 667 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 6 Posts
Originally Posted by Chrome Molly View Post
A good context, before the half hour downhill on Trail Ridge Road to Estes

As I get older, this is how I'm choosing to think about it

Good gracious, that is a beautiful bicycle you have there.
__________________


Bikes and stuff

https://www.flickr.com/photos/36270004@N06/
gomango is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 06:42 PM
  #16  
Hudson308 
Mr. Anachronism
 
Hudson308's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: City of Lakes
Posts: 1,530

Bikes: fillet-brazed Chicago Schwinns, and some other stuff

Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 344 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 24 Times in 18 Posts
Originally Posted by jonwvara View Post
Ah, the Hurricane Mountain Road on the Maine/NH border--1,200 vertical feet in about two miles! I was happy to be on top and looking forward to the downhill, although it turned out to be mildly terrifying. So I enjoyed the thought of going downhill, but then it sort of went downhill from there.
What little boy doesn't love zooming down a HUUUUUUUGE hill on a bicycle?
That is, until he's actually on the hill.

Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
If used in past tense it's bad: "it all went downhill from there"
If used in future tense it's good: "it'll all be downhill from there"
Don't ask me why. I'm not a native English speaker.
Technically speaking, I think he's your winner.
__________________
"If we don't change direction soon, we'll end up where we're going." -Irwin Corey

Last edited by Hudson308; 12-13-17 at 06:52 PM.
Hudson308 is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 06:58 PM
  #17  
Andy_K 
Senior Member
 
Andy_K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 12,051

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 288 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1739 Post(s)
Liked 20 Times in 18 Posts
Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
If used in past tense it's bad: "it all went downhill from there"

If used in future tense it's good: "it'll all be downhill from there"

Don't ask me why. I'm not a native English speaker.
I think you may be onto something there. I'm not sure being a native English speaker would help though. I suppose all languages are like this, but I can testify that in English we native speakers do an awful lot of things by habit without even realizing we're doing them. For instance, my daughter recently told me that there are rules for the order in which adjectives are applied (according to gingersoftware.com, via Google: "Quantity or number. Quality or opinion. Size. Age. Shape. Color. Proper adjective (often nationality, other place of origin, or material) Purpose or qualifier."). This was absolute news to me, but I had to admit that if someone mentioned a "red fast bike" (for instance) it would sound very, very wrong.
__________________
My Bikes
Andy_K is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 07:08 PM
  #18  
old's'cool 
curmudgineer
 
old's'cool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Chicago SW burbs
Posts: 4,223

Bikes: 2 many 2 fit here

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 192 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts
I think it depends a lot on what's along the way and at the bottom, and how good your brakes are.
__________________
Geoff
"There is no Fail without Try" - Yoda Simpson
old's'cool is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 07:24 PM
  #19  
old's'cool 
curmudgineer
 
old's'cool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Chicago SW burbs
Posts: 4,223

Bikes: 2 many 2 fit here

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 192 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
I think you may be onto something there. I'm not sure being a native English speaker would help though. I suppose all languages are like this, but I can testify that in English we native speakers do an awful lot of things by habit without even realizing we're doing them. For instance, my daughter recently told me that there are rules for the order in which adjectives are applied (according to gingersoftware.com, via Google: "Quantity or number. Quality or opinion. Size. Age. Shape. Color. Proper adjective (often nationality, other place of origin, or material) Purpose or qualifier."). This was absolute news to me, but I had to admit that if someone mentioned a "red fast bike" (for instance) it would sound very, very wrong.
So,... let's try a full blown example then...
On my last weekend ride I saw 17 beautiful mid-size vintage relaxed-geometry red French bikes.
Now, who can rearrange the adjectives in the silliest sounding order?
__________________
Geoff
"There is no Fail without Try" - Yoda Simpson

Last edited by old's'cool; 12-13-17 at 07:24 PM. Reason: italics
old's'cool is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 07:45 PM
  #20  
CroMo Mike 
Senior Member
 
CroMo Mike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Posts: 1,240

Bikes: Listed in my signature.

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 94 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Not as often heard: "It's all up hill from here."
__________________
My C&V Bikes:
1972 Bottecchia Professional, 1987 Bottecchia Team C-Record, 1982 Colnago Super,
1995 Bianchi Campione d'Italia, 1995 DeBernardi Thron Super Record
CroMo Mike is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 07:46 PM
  #21  
jonwvara 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
jonwvara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Washington County, Vermont, USA
Posts: 2,913

Bikes: 1966 Dawes Double Blue, 1976 Raleigh Gran Sport, 1975 Raleigh Sprite 27, 1980 Univega Viva Sport, 1971 Gitane Tour de France, 1984 Lotus Classique, 1976 Motobecane Grand Record

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 298 Post(s)
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by Chrome Molly View Post
A good context, before the half hour downhill on Trail Ridge Road to Estes

As I get older, this is how I'm choosing to think about it
My dad, who started doing a long-distance tour every year when in his late fifties (and kept on doing it into his late sixties), used to say "once you're over the hill, you start to pick up speed."

Now I'm over the hill. How the hell did that happen?
__________________
www.redclovercomponents.com

"Progress might have been all right once, but it has gone on too long."
--Ogden Nash

Last edited by jonwvara; 12-13-17 at 07:49 PM.
jonwvara is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 07:55 PM
  #22  
Andy_K 
Senior Member
 
Andy_K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 12,051

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 288 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1739 Post(s)
Liked 20 Times in 18 Posts
Originally Posted by old's'cool View Post
So,... let's try a full blown example then...
On my last weekend ride I saw 17 beautiful mid-size vintage relaxed-geometry red French bikes.
Now, who can rearrange the adjectives in the silliest sounding order?
I think with that many adjectives you're on thin ice regardless of how you order them. I would have put "red" before "relaxed geometry" (is that a size or a purpose?) and could see it being as early as immediately following "beautiful". Making it sound silly is easy. Silliest? That might take some work. I don't like work, so I'll just reverse the order.

On my weekend last ride I saw French red relaxed-geometry vintage mid-size beautiful 17 bikes.
__________________
My Bikes
Andy_K is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 08:12 PM
  #23  
The Golden Boy 
Extraordinary Magnitude
 
The Golden Boy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Waukesha WI
Posts: 11,367

Bikes: 1977 Trek TX700; 1978/79 Trek 736; 1984 Specialized Stumpjumper Sport; 1984 Schwinn Voyageur SP; 1985 Trek 620; 1985 Trek 720; 1986 Trek 400 Elance; 1987 Schwinn High Sierra; 1990 Miyata 1000LT

Mentioned: 71 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1713 Post(s)
Liked 46 Times in 36 Posts
Let me just tell you- you can't put too much water in a nuclear reactor!
__________________
*Recipient of the 2006 Time Magazine "Person Of The Year" Award*

Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!

"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
The Golden Boy is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 09:39 PM
  #24  
old's'cool 
curmudgineer
 
old's'cool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Chicago SW burbs
Posts: 4,223

Bikes: 2 many 2 fit here

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 192 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
I think with that many adjectives you're on thin ice regardless of how you order them. I would have put "red" before "relaxed geometry" (is that a size or a purpose?) and could see it being as early as immediately following "beautiful". Making it sound silly is easy. Silliest? That might take some work. I don't like work, so I'll just reverse the order.

On my weekend last ride I saw French red relaxed-geometry vintage mid-size beautiful 17 bikes.
My intention for relaxed-geometry was a shape, and I think I had it in the formally correct position, according to your daughter's guidance.

The German language has a great advantage over English in this regard. It is quite permissible and correct to string together an large number of qualifiers as an adjectival clause, thus:
Der ueberwiegend auf die heissen Einlassventile auftreffende Kraftstoff...
Everything between Der and Kraftstoff serves as modifiers, adjective-like. "Der" is the article, "Kraftstoff" is the subject.
In English, literally: The overwhelmingly on the hot intake valve impinging fuel...
In proper English, it is necessary to rearrange the sentence: The fuel, which impinges mainly on the hot intake valve,...
__________________
Geoff
"There is no Fail without Try" - Yoda Simpson
old's'cool is offline  
Old 12-13-17, 09:48 PM
  #25  
Andy_K 
Senior Member
 
Andy_K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 12,051

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 288 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1739 Post(s)
Liked 20 Times in 18 Posts
Originally Posted by The Golden Boy View Post
Let me just tell you- you can't put too much water in a nuclear reactor!
Fruit flies like a banana.
__________________
My Bikes
Andy_K is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.