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Old 01-03-18, 07:19 PM
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Thanks everyone for the comments and suggestions. I would like to find a Mistral chainring, I think it would look much better with one. The Mistral is the o.e. spec for the bike that year. The specs for an '85 660 are on vintagetrek.com and they differ from an '84. Not sure what I plan to do about shifters, they're such a low priority at this time, so for now I'll live with the Ofmega composite shifters.

When I bought the bike, and on my first ride, I noticed that the headset was rather stiff and just did not feel good at all while rotating. So I took some time to remove the fork, disassemble the Stronglight A9 / B Hinault headset to see what was going on.
Needless to say, the "grease" that was in there had turned into a hardened mess. Getting the races out was a bit of a challenge, mainly due to having to scrape the cement-like grease remnants out of the parts. However, some soaking in mineral spirits, scrubbing with a toothbrush, a lot of wiping, etc, and everything came out looking very good. No damage, no pitting to the races or rollers, so now it's ready to go back together.

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Disassembled, ready for cleaning.


Cleaned up, and you can see the brazing of the tubes.




Tange steerer tube, 4D (April 1984) date code. Interesting that the Tange date is so far before the frame manufacture date.




Roller bearing before cleaning. Old "grease" was nasty, rock hard, gross.


Roller bearing disassembled, cage cleaned, rollers about to go into cleaning solution (lacquer thinner).


Everything cleaned, bearings reassembled, ready to go back together.


I wanted to thank everyone for the suggestion to use the trainer as a work stand. It came in very handy today!
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You're welcome. Wait til you use it tow rap the handle bar. The fork is held tight which make wrapping a breeze plus it is at a good height for the job.
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I've spent a little more time on the 660 recently. Considering how nasty the grease was in the headset, I figured it would be a good idea to go through the bottom bracket too. I found that there was the same type of petrified grease there as well, so everything got thoroughly cleaned and repacked.



Interesting to me was the Tange bottom bracket dust sleeve thing.


I also noticed that the cups are marked with a 34.8 x 24F thread. What threading is that? The bottom bracket, while serviceable, was not in the best of condition and I'll probably replace it at some point.

I've also gone through the front and rear derailleurs, lubed the brake pivots, cleaned and lubed the chain, cleaned the crankset. Unfortunately the crank gears are kinda hammered, and the threads in the crank for the right pedal are half stripped out. So it looks like it's time for a better (upgrade?) crankset. This leaves me with a dilemma though: do I try to find another Mistral set, or do I look for something else like a Suntour or Campagnolo crankset.
I've also gone over the entire frame and polishing compounded the paintwork. It looks a lot shinier now, and the paint looks much better than it did, despite some typical chips, scratches etc.
Aside from doing the final headset adjustment, I have it all back together, ready for another test run. Hopefully the weather will cooperate soon. Really looking forward to putting some miles on this.
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Very cool bike! Threads like these keep me obsessing on CL every day.
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Very Nice find!!!!! Thanks for resurrecting a C&V Trek!!
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Time for an update. I've cleaned everything, repacked headset, bottom bracket, cleaned, lubed, and adjusted the derailleurs, lubed the brakes, checked the adjustment of cables, I even polished the paint on the frame.
My initial goal was to get it back on the road to assess any needs, gather any thoughts about what to "upgrade" or change in the future, and to basically get some miles in. So as far as that goes, I feel like I am finished with "Phase 1" (except for getting miles in, it's been too cold or too rainy to do that).
Here are some current pics.They can be compared to the 'as purchased' pics on the first page of the thread.








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It's looking great! I had those Speedy Modolos on a Centurian Equipe and they worked quite well after replacing the original sintered brake pads with Shimano something or other pads (don't remember the model).
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Thanks! I’m rather excited to ride this again. Considering how much I enjoyed it in its previous condition where bb and headset were funky, and later I realized the rear derailleur was not fully tightened to the drop out, I can only imagine how much better it will be now that things are lubed, adjusted, etc.

Not sure how I’m feeling on the Modolos. They worked fine on my first ride, I did clean and “resurface” the sintered pads, and I will not be racing. If I keep them, then new pads will certainly be ordered. I’ve read very mixed reviews of them, most people claim they are poor brakes. I guess time and miles will help me make a decision one way or the other. I am going to be on the lookout for some Superbe, black Suntour Cyclone (to stay with the partial Cyclone theme that’s on there now), or higher end Shimano brakes, just in case.
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When I first got the bike with the Speedys, they didn't work well at all. They had a lot of slop in the pivits. Cleaned and lubed and readjusted the pivits took all the slop out and new pads, what ever they recomended at the bike shop (Shimano), and they worked great (for vintage brakes). New cables too. The levers were not Modolo and were aero which may have helped.
Not saying they are any better then the others you mentioned but can be made to work well.
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Originally Posted by hazetguy View Post
I've also gone through the front and rear derailleurs, lubed the brake pivots, cleaned and lubed the chain, cleaned the crankset. Unfortunately the crank gears are kinda hammered, and the threads in the crank for the right pedal are half stripped out. So it looks like it's time for a better (upgrade?) crankset. This leaves me with a dilemma though: do I try to find another Mistral set, or do I look for something else like a Suntour or Campagnolo crankset.
Sorry - ignore the below, it is a 110 BCD ring and you need a 130BCD.

Just put this chainring on it:


Jadesfire is selling it for cheap here.

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Looks great. I've got the same exact bike that I picked up a few weeks ago. Need to see what I'm going to do with it.
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Your Mistral crank should look like this:



The Krull of cranksets!
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Or get the Sakae copy of it on ebay for $26:
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(The Sekae crankset) With lots of polishing to do!
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Originally Posted by hazetguy View Post
My initial goal was to get it back on the road to assess any needs, gather any thoughts about what to "upgrade" or change in the future, and to basically get some miles in. So as far as that goes, I feel like I am finished with "Phase 1" (except for getting miles in, it's been too cold or too rainy to do that).
Here are some current pics.They can be compared to the 'as purchased' pics on the first page of the thread.
The wheels, for the time being, are off my Panasonic, as getting a matched set of wheels is toward the top of the list for the 660.
The nice thing about the whole bike thing is that you're never finished until you say you are... and then even then you can change your mind.

You've got a great frame with a great bunch of components that Trek selected with the goal of making a really great bike. I used to be very hung up on that 2nd part there- and there's a part of me that says 'don't eff with a stock build,' and 'modern stuff doesn't go on old bikes.' But the beautiful thing is you can ALWAYS change it back.

I love old bikes, I love old bike components and I really love playing with that stuff. There's a realistic point where "is A better than B" really doesn't matter. But it does if you want it to. . There's a whole world of stuff that you can hang on a frame- and really a whole world of stuff that will look good on there. If you're a dork like me- it has to go together- even if it's just in your head.

If this were my bike...

Like I mentioned earlier- the Cyclone stuff is among the very best of components ever- you'd have a hard time finding "better." IMO- shifters got a lot better than the composite Ofmega stuff. IMO- the 3 very best friction shifters are the Simplex Retrofriction shifters, the Suntour Sprint ratcheting shifters and the Sachs/Huret ratcheting shifters. If you were going to be going with downtube shifters, you couldn't go wrong with any of the 3- but with the mid-80s Cyclone stuff... the Suntour Sprint shifters were the ultimate expression of friction shifting- introduced right when indexing came out... Slender and graceful, super light action, super fine ratcheting... Those would be the shifters.

They look pretty much like the pure friction Superbe shifters- but they have the entry for the ratcheting mechanism on the internal side.







The crankset is easy- just like @mountaindave said- the Sakae CR. It looks like a cyclone generator!






The hard part here... the brake levers... The bike came with non-aero levers, so that helps the decision making process- I'm a sucker for dual slotted levers. I would roll with either the Superbe slotted levers or the Gran Compe slotted levers. The Superbes are generally a little easier to come by. Choosing the Superbes makes the brake choice as well. There are so few parts that look as nice as these with that beautiful finish intact.

(I'm gonna snag pix from @Saguaro's beautiful Cresta)








Of course, that's if'n it were me...
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I found a super nice TREK water bottle at a flea market. After a light clean up, it looks pretty good. Made by Specialized, and a little later than the bike (bottle is 6/89), but I'm not overly concerned about that.



I'm also almost finished piecing together a full Shimano 600 Tri-Color set up for this, and hope to swap everything over in the not so distant future.

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Well, I am almost finished with swapping the 600 Tri-Color stuff on to the 660. I have a few more details to work out, but hopefully I can find the time to get it buttoned up very soon.
I needed to replace the brake pads/holders, and wasn't all that sold on using stock Shimano pads. I had purchased some Kool Stop Campi holders and pads, which of course did not fit the Campagnolo Monoplaners I have on the bike I bought them for, so after trying unsuccessfully to resell them on here and eBay, I decided to take a file to the slots of the 600 calipers and fit them there. Needed about .8mm taken off, so not very much material was removed. The spacers that come with the KoolStops fit in the groove in the back of the 600 calipers, so that was a nice added bonus, and will also allow for setting toe-in with the pads.

Before:


After:
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Well, finally, after quite the delay, I have finally switched (just about) everything over to Shimano 600 Tri-Color. Still looking for a non-aero seatpost and a stem, but those are not really critical at this point. This is still in the 'will probably need some fine tuning and adjustment' stage, but after my 18 mile shakedown ride this monring, everything seems very dialed in. The ride was great, and the bike feels awesome. The brakes are an exponentially superior improvement over the Modolos that were on there.

This bike was a very good learning experience for me, and I did lots of things for the first time, and overall the results are great. Some firsts for me: switching to and using aero brake levers, replacing all cables, installing a sealed bottom bracket (not my first choice, and I hope to put a 6400 BB in there at some point soon), checking - measuring - installing a new chain. One big error that I made was trimming the front brake cable housing too short. I had the stem installed to a random point, and then later when I wanted to raise the stem, the housing 'pulled' and got too tight, so I had to drop it down a bit. In the end though, it's ok for now.

"As finished" for now.


Parked by the door of the 'antique shop' where I initially purchased it.


I saw this old pump/valve in a park.
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Very nicely done! Iíd be surprised if we havenít all trimmed a cable housing too shor by accident. Itís a real drag when youíre out of that particular color (or have to re-wrap bars ). But itís small potatoes compared to what you achieved!
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I did a trade with malcala622 on some water bottle cages, installed them, and that inspired me to start riding the Trek again. I had been riding my Clunker Challenge # 4 Cannondale SR600, but that came to a halt after I passed the challenge mileage and I put these bottle cages on. Weird things inspire me sometimes.
Anyway, I've been running a 12-23 freewheel, 39/53 front, and I feel like that's been limiting my rides in the hills. Sure, I can do a lot of the flatter roads, but this is not an exactly flat region.
So I broke down and ordered some grandpa gearing, a 13-28. I'm hoping that will allow me to be more adventurous around here. I'll find out soon....
The bottle cages installed:



With the new freewheel installed. I also had to lengthen the chain by one link.
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Thatís hardly Grampa gearing. Youíd need a triple for that.

I love the internal cable routing through the chain stay on those mid 80ís Treks.
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Iíve had an Ď86 560 posted on craigs. Iíve got it overpriced, because I donít really want to let it go. This has inspired me to take it off and re-pack the B.B. and hubs. Letís see what she can do!
Thank you for the inspiration.
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Thatís hardly Grampa gearing. Youíd need a triple for that.

I love the internal cable routing through the chain stay on those mid 80ís Treks.
I had considered a triple for a time, considering the hills/mountains around here. I still haven't ruled it out for the longer term, but for now, the new freewheel took care of some of my hill climbing issues. With the 39/28 combo, the bike felt "lighter" going up some hills today, and I can see how this will be a huge benefit if I can get myself out to ride more often.
I like the look of the internal cable routing. I just dread the day if/when the cable decides to break. It was not fun replacing it the first time.

I finally had the opportunity to test out the new freewheel today. The clicks/pawls are louder than I prefer, but I can live with that. I had only planned to get in a short ( < 1 hour) ride, just to get the legs moving again, as it's been nearly a month since my last ride. In my mind, before I left, I chose the specific route I was going to take, and that was going to be it, as I have other things to do today. The morning was not cool, but not warm, with some lingering fog and minimal headwinds. I got to my predetermined turn around point, and decided to stretch it out "just a bit more". Added about a mile, and while on the way back, I thought gee, the weather is so nice, there are very few cars (Sunday morning), let's go a little further. Having remembered how nice my last longer ride was along the same route, I rode to the other side of town, to the WNC Nature Center, where I had turned around before. However, I saw a "Bike Lane -> " sign, and decided to check it out, since I had never been on that road before. The "country two lane road" led to a soccer field complex, and then out along a river. No cars, passed a dog park, rode under a Blue Ridge Parkway bridge, just rambling along on a nice backroad. It was super pleasant, relaxing, and almost surreal. I decided that I needed to start heading back home, as it was considerably later than I had planned on being out, I hadn't really eaten much before I left, I was getting a little hungry for something other than the raisins I brought along (didn't bonk or crash though), and I was getting tired. I was just about to make the turn onto the last main road that headed back home, when a guy on a plastic bike turned on to the road in front of me. So, instead of me turning and going home, I decided to follow him. Of course he rode off into the distance, but it was not a race, and I was on the end of a long (for me) ride, so I just kept the cadence up and did my own thing.
Upon (finally) returning home I checked my mileage and it was 35.6! That is, by far, the longest ride I have done in well over a decade. Today's ride just seemed to click, and almost felt effortless.
Really loving this bike!






I even did a track stand! BRP bridge.


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Well done! You clearly need to put some granola bars in a seat bag ďjust in caseĒ you have to ride longer than you think.
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wow. What a find!
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