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Old 01-11-18, 06:50 AM   #51
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However, I've never thought of myself as a "cognoscenti." Maybe a "sprocknoscenti!"
The only "cogs" on a bicycle are found in an IGH.
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The only "cogs" on a bicycle are found in an IGH.
As a word guy, it also bothers me a little bit to call a sprocket a cog. But there's no fighting it--that's just the way it is in the bicycle world.
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@jonwvara, it had to be some sort of VT Voodoo which protected everything! Either that or your pond is actually the only "tar pit" in VT.

Well, there's the Russian proverb that translates to, approximately, "God loves a fool."

I think I've gotten a lot of benefit out of that in my life so far.
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@jonwvara, it had to be some sort of VT Voodoo which protected everything! Either that or your pond is actually the only "tar pit" in VT.

Why do I keep associating a few individuals' screen names with certain beasts pictured in that VT tar pit scene?

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As a word guy, it also bothers me a little bit to call a sprocket a cog. But there's no fighting it--that's just the way it is in the bicycle world.
Agreed. Once in a while I will add a note and I always defer to "sprocket" in all communications. Don't want to mislead others!

Another is engine vs motor. In bicycle terms, the rider is the engine and an e-bike uses a motor to assist the engine!
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Please bring this to the Bicycle misnomenclature thread.
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Aha, there it is. Thank you.
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@qcpmsame, I guess that leaves me to be the vulture in the tree.

I suppose it does have a certain "Anglican cleric" look about it, all dressed up in those white and black vestments, ready to swoop in and pick clean the festering carcass!

That's kind of what I do with old freewheels. Chip away at the encrusted grease, dirt, and grime until the bare bones are revealed once again. But vultures just leave the old bones. I breath new life into them sort like in Ezekiel 37.
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Actually, the roaring Tyrannosarus Rex, and angry looking saber tooth tigers, are reminding me of the folks that feel the need to get rilled up about things if they disagree.

Kind or early in the ecclesiastical calendar year for Valley of the Dry Bones, that one usually is part of the Easter liturgy.
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When I've "washed" ferrous bits and bobs, I will boil the parts in simple geen, the boil in water to wash out the detregent. The parts are hot enough to cook the water off them selves and boiling tempatures wont effect tempered steel. Wd40 sprayed on to hot metal seems to flow and suck into crevices. I've never tried this with a complex mechanism, but as far as solvent soaking I like kerosene. AFAIK WD40 is kero with a detergent and a manly scent added.
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WD-40 isn't kerosene, from Wikipedia entry: Formulation[edit]
WD-40's formula is a trade secret. To avoid disclosing its composition, the product was not patented in 1953, and the window of opportunity for patenting it has long since closed.[7] WD-40's main ingredients as supplied in aerosol cans, according to U.S. Material Safety Data Sheet information, are:

"50% "aliphatic hydrocarbons". The manufacturer's website claims this ratio in the current formulation cannot accurately be described as Stoddard solvent, a similar mixture of hydrocarbons.[13]
<25% petroleum base oil. Presumably a mineral oil or light lubricating oil.
12–18% low vapor pressure aliphatic hydrocarbon. Reduces the liquid's viscosity so that it can be used in aerosols. The hydrocarbon evaporates during application.
2–3% carbon dioxide. A propellant which is now used instead of the original liquefied petroleum gas to reduce WD-40's flammability.
<10% inert ingredients.
The German version of the mandatory EU safety sheet lists the following safety-relevant ingredients:

60–80% hydrogen-treated heavy naphtha (a petroleum product used in wick-type cigarette lighters)
1–5% carbon dioxide
It warns of the product's high flammability and the risk of irritation to human skin when repeatedly exposed to WD-40. Nitrile rubber gloves and safety glasses should be worn (ordinary rubber disintegrates if exposed to petroleum products). It also mentions that water is unsuitable for extinguishing burning WD-40.

In 2009, Wired published an article with the results of gas chromatography and mass spectroscopy tests on WD-40, claiming that its ingredients make it resistant to freezing."

List of WD-40 MSDS, as required by regulations:https://www.wd40company.com/partners...tinentSelector
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@noglider, glad you enjoyed the reference!
@qcpmsame, thanks for digging up the information on WD40. Very interesting that they decided not to patent in order to keep the ingredients secret.

As an update to this fun thread: @polymorphself, our intrepid OP, decided to send the "soaked in soapy water" Suntour Perfect to me for a complete spa treatment. He did so the next day after I chimed in with my 2 cents worth of unsolicited advise. So it should have arrived on Thursday, which it didn't, and it failed to arrive again on Friday and Saturday. I notified Jordan that I hadn't received his package and he checked tracking and USPS reported:

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The package is delayed and will not be delivered by the expected delivery date. An updated delivery date will be provided when available. The item is currently in transit to the destination as of January 13, 2018 at 12:01 pm. It is on its way to NEW LONDON, NH
So, this is not good news. Let's keep our fingers crossed that it arrives in Tuesday's mail.
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@noglider, glad you enjoyed the reference!
@qcpmsame, thanks for digging up the information on WD40. Very interesting that they decided not to patent in order to keep the ingredients secret.

As an update to this fun thread: @polymorphself, our intrepid OP, decided to send the "soaked in soapy water" Suntour Perfect to me for a complete spa treatment. He did so the next day after I chimed in with my 2 cents worth of unsolicited advise. So it should have arrived on Thursday, which it didn't, and it failed to arrive again on Friday and Saturday. I notified Jordan that I hadn't received his package and he checked tracking and USPS reported:



So, this is not good news. Let's keep our fingers crossed that it arrives in Tuesday's mail.
Does this mean will get pics of the internals?
My guess all will be good internally. What about y'alls guess?
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Very interesting that they decided not to patent in order to keep the ingredients secret.
I always thought it had special mellowing agents in it...kind of like ketchup.

I kind of prefer LPS-1 for light flush and lube operations.
Wonder if it does the special "water dispersing" thing too?
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That's kind of what I do with old freewheels. Chip away at the encrusted grease, dirt, and grime until the bare bones are revealed once again. But vultures just leave the old bones. I breath new life into them sort like in Ezekiel 37.
Possibly the vision in Ezekiel 1:16 refers to freewheel cogs rotating around the freewheel body?
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Does this mean will get pics of the internals?
My guess all will be good internally. What about y'alls guess?
Yes, I'll post pictures. Before, after, internal and cleaned and ready to send back.
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Yes, Jon! A very good bicycle image, indeed!
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Toss the freewheel and start over. The two notch removal system was soon to be replaced by the four notch Suntour body, which was certainly an improvement. When the internal mechanism fails, it's quite the nuisance. Just post a WTB and you'll bet a decent Suntour or DA for next to nothing.
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Toss the freewheel and start over. The two notch removal system was soon to be replaced by the four notch Suntour body, which was certainly an improvement. When the internal mechanism fails, it's quite the nuisance. Just post a WTB and you'll bet a decent Suntour or DA for next to nothing.
I think that every one of my bikes has a two-notch Suntour Perfect. I've never had any trouble removing them. You just have to remember to secure the remover with the skewer.
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Yes, of course, use the skewer to hold the freewheel removal tool in place. That said, the body of the Suntour was notoriously soft. If the freewheel and hub threads were not greased properly (which we encountered often enough) it was a pain to remove the freewheel. There was a reason they went to four notches. Besides, the Winner was a great improvement in other ways as well.

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Im currently letting this freewheel soak in soap water overnight. My plan after that was to brush as much of the crud off as possible and then let it sit in evaporust all day (this stuff has been working wonders for me).

If the freewheel drys after the water soaking, do I need to spray it down with wd40 immediately to protect it from the water? How long can it sit after being soaked before any damage is done? I see a lot of people recommend letting really grimy parts soak in soap water (derailleurs, breaks etc), but I feel like something needs to be done with them outside of an air dry.

ALSO: Bonus points if you can tell me what color this Suntour Perfect freewheel is actually supposed to be? I googled it and saw a range of shades. I scrubbed a bit of the crud off but still can't tell if it's supposed to be a silver, copper or bronze color

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Spin out all the water ind put it in kerosene or fuel oil , end of problem
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Without totally disassembling it, I'm afraid you'll never get all of the water out of the internals of this freewheel. The soapy water will break down all of the internal lube and WD40 is not a lube.

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I agree with Kactus.
Water is bad, soapy water could be worse if it leaves residual contamination on the pawl springs.
Also the regular WD40 is not a lubricant - however the WD40 now makes a line of bicycle products - check out their website WD-40 BIKE | A comprehensive line of bicycle care products developed for cyclists and mechanics

Personally I would disassemble the free wheel and clean all the components separately.
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