Beautiful 45 year old Silver Lady
Fed Ex stopped yesterday and off rolled this beautiful Silver and Chrome Ladies Paramount.
She looks good for her age just needs some TLC. So off to the spa she goes to be completely dissembled ,inspected and cleaned. Her parts to be washed, polished and waxed, so they gleam like the day she was first unpacked. The scars on her frame, a few paint touch ups the same. Her bearings and chain need cleaned and fresh grease, so they spin like a dream. Her wheels need trued. her pivots some lube so they spin, shift, and stop like they day they were new. A little proof hide on her Brooks and some new pumps on her feet, I’m sure she will ride sweet. Some cable ,some housing, matching tape for her arms, and she will look like a charm. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4664/...01d47350_b.jpg100_3970 by galon783, on Flickr https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4664/...27c45beb_b.jpg100_3974 by galon783, on Flickr https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4716/...6d132746_b.jpg100_3971 by galon783, on Flickr https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4627/...98756864_b.jpg100_3972 by galon783, on Flickr |
@trainman999
That is awesome, congrats! Looks to be a 74,75 P60 with full NR 10 speed group. Catalog says 531, but I don't see a sticker on any of them. Please put me on the short or long list if you ever move it along please. :thumb: |
Wow, looks really clean. Nice find.
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merziac: She is a 73 P60. She looks to be original except for the tires, a piece of the rear brake housing and cable, and possibly the bar tape, don't know what she would have left the factory with. A corner of the 531 decal is near the crank. She is definitely a keeper. I'll put you an the list but gona be a looooong wait.
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Wow! So beautiful...
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From looking at the catalog it has 74-75 decals on the seatube, the 73 catalog shows the olympic rings and the 531 at the top. It may have a 73 serial number, but just like cars the new model year starts in the fall of the previous year with plenty of variation from time to time. I will be waiting patiently. ;)
Originally Posted by trainman999
(Post 20108361)
merziac: She is a 73 P60. She looks to be original except for the tires, a piece of the rear brake housing and cable, and possibly the bar tape, don't know what she would have left the factory with. A corner of the 531 decal is near the crank. She is definitely a keeper. I'll put you an the list but gona be a looooong wait.
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Merziac: That decal set started in March or April of 73 check the pictures of 73's here. Schwinn Paramount Registry Database
This bike is an Oct 73 frame |
Nice find! We see so few P60s posted here on C&V. I've always been curious about how many were made each year just as regular production or if they were all special order. Possibly @Scooper or @Metacortex know the answer.
I'm also curious about the ride. I've ridden a few drop top bar framesets and they were really "flexy" under my 200+ lb. weight. But none were Reynolds 531, so wonder how that might make a difference. Best to you and Silver Lady on her long overdue makeover! |
Beautiful! I realize they are original, but if it were mine, I would ditch the "safety" brake levers. Which Brooks saddle is that?
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Originally Posted by merziac
(Post 20108172)
@trainman999
That is awesome, congrats! Looks to be a 74,75 P60 with full NR 10 speed group. Catalog says 531, but I don't see a sticker on any of them. Please put me on the short or long list if you ever move it along please. :thumb: NR or other nice sidepulls and nice levers would be a good upgrade. |
Originally Posted by trainman999
(Post 20108361)
She looks to be original except for the tires, a piece of the rear brake housing and cable, and possibly the bar tape, don't know what she would have left the factory with. A corner of the 531 decal is near the crank. She is definitely a keeper.
Originally Posted by merziac
(Post 20110332)
It may have a 73 serial number, but just like cars the new model year starts in the fall of the previous year with plenty of variation from time to time.
Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh
(Post 20110403)
We see so few P60s posted here on C&V. I've always been curious about how many were made each year just as regular production or if they were all special order. Possibly @Scooper or @Metacortex know the answer.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...porderc1sm.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...porder01sm.jpg
Originally Posted by Homebrew01
(Post 20111293)
Brakes are not NR... Weinmann center pulls ??
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@Metacortex - ever' time i see one o' these i has me the same thought - "why the heck did anrie & co. put a 750 on the rear with that insane tortuous transmission path?" seems it would have given so much smoother operation to fit the stern with a 730 pulling from the bottom... ----- |
Originally Posted by juvela
(Post 20111508)
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@Metacortex - ever' time i see one o' these i has me the same thought - "why the heck did anrie & co. put a 750 on the rear with that insane tortuous transmission path?" seems it would have given so much smoother operation to fit the stern with a 730 pulling from the bottom... ----- |
Originally Posted by Metacortex
(Post 20111922)
The Weinmann 730 bottom side-pull was used on the Ladies' Varsity. There's no way Schwinn would put Varsity brakes on a Paramount! ;)
...but Continental brakes were OK... :lol: ----- |
Thanks everyone for the compliments
Hardrock23; If you are ever in Western Pa. and want to take her for a spin let me know. Pastorbobninh; Was curious about that too 10%+? Better question how many survived? I have seen several references that a lot are striped for there parts. I’ll report how she rides when her makeover is done and we have a nice day. Would 531 make a difference? I suspect Schwinn used the heaver version of 531. I have a 21” Nov 68 frame, Prugnat lugs weighs 2030 gram. An 83 Superior 21” Nervex lugs made with the leftovers of Paramount production, weighs 2297 gram. A 22.5 Trek 710 made with 531 weighs 2075gram. JohnE; Saddle is a Brooks professional. Homebrew01; Brakes are Schwinn Approved type LC 2.3 F and type LC 2.7 R. Metacortex; Would pedals have silver cages or black? How long from date serial # applied to frame till is is built and shipped? Have 83 Superior in Gunmetal Grey build date on headbadge 2422 August 30 82 when did they go off the calendar year and on to the automaker year? No Silver Mist paint option on the order form? So the long point lugs are Prugnat? Is the fork crown Nervex? Peugnat? Something else? Have a Nov 68 frame with Prugnat lugs if they only used them in 69-70 is it considered a 69? Juvela; Does the Weinmann 730 come short, medium, and long like Records? Do you just switch the barrel adjuster and the anchor bolt to make them bottom pull or do you have to find ones from the factory that way ? Sorry for the long post with all the questions but I am always interested learning about Paramounts and Schwinns. |
Originally Posted by trainman999
(Post 2011200)
Juvela; Does the Weinmann 730 come short, medium, and long like Records? Do you just switch the barrel adjuster and the anchor bolt to make them bottom pull or do you have to find ones from the factory that way ?
Sorry for the long post with all the questions but I am always interested learning about Paramounts and Schwinns. The Weinmann model 730 is a sidepull caliper which comes in a single reach. The model 500 Weinmann is a sidepull caliper with a shorter reach. Model 810 has a longer reach. The model 750 centrepull caliper that is on there has a centre of slot dimension of 67mm and a longest reach of 76mm. Model 730 has a centre of slot dimension of 62mm and a longest reach of 71mm. You are spot on about switching the housing stop with the cable anchor to convert a Weinmann 500/730/810 caliper to one pulling from the bottom. ;) https://vintagebicyclerestoration.fi...-07-22-021.jpg ----- |
Speedy/high end parts on a step-through or mixte frame--love it! Beautiful bike, and a tall one at that, if the HT is to be believed. I like the plan to keep it original, though if you put some lovely swept-back bars on it, I would certainly not complain as it would just look even classier. Best wishes on your restoration!
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A lovely lady who has aged well!
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Wow, thanks for the offer!
I would've thought 74 off the SN too. Didn't know that's how it was done back then...Interested to know when they changed over also. Surprised also that the color option isn't listed. |
Don't see one of those every day. I'd keep it original as much as possible, but still rideable. To me that means decent brake pads and tires and don't touch anything else if it still functions properly. :thumb:
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Originally Posted by trainman999
(Post 20112004)
Metacortex; Would pedals have silver cages or black?
They would have also included Christophe toe clips with Lapize straps. How long from date serial # applied to frame till is is built and shipped? Have 83 Superior in Gunmetal Grey build date on headbadge 2422 August 30 82 when did they go off the calendar year and on to the automaker year? No Silver Mist paint option on the order form? http://waterfordbikes.com/SchwinnCat...80/1973_18.jpg A dealer News Flash bulletin dated 11/72 indicated that Silver Mist was being offered on '73 Paramounts as a substitute for full chrome plating as that option was being discontinued. So the long point lugs are Prugnat? Is the fork crown Nervex? Peugnat? Something else? Have a Nov 68 frame with Prugnat lugs if they only used them in 69-70 is it considered a 69? http://bikes.aberrance.com/p13/20111...tFirst-069.jpg http://bikes.aberrance.com/p13/20111...tFirst-074.jpg |
So I was referring only to the drivetrain as the 15 speed would have had the LeTour RD to go with the triple crankset. ;)
Originally Posted by Homebrew01
(Post 20111293)
Brakes are not NR... Weinmann center pulls ??
NR or other nice sidepulls and nice levers would be a good upgrade. |
Metacortex:
Thank You for all the info. I find it interesting that Schwinn didn’t put the GT300 rear derailleur and a 31 tooth sprocket on the P60 they must have thought the ladies were only going to ride on the flats or were Amazons, with the stiff gearing. A few more questions. Any idea what percentage of ladies models were made in a given year? Looking at the production figures on the Waterford site I am guessing a 79 P60 or P65 is real rare with a total of just 360 Paramounts for the year. Were there any ladies models made after production moved to the Waterford plant? One more question any idea how many track bikes were made in a year? Thanks again for all the info you provide |
Originally Posted by trainman999
(Post 20118589)
...A few more questions. ...Were there any ladies models made after production moved to the Waterford plant...?
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Originally Posted by trainman999
(Post 20118589)
I find it interesting that Schwinn didn’t put the GT300 rear derailleur and a 31 tooth sprocket on the P60 they must have thought the ladies were only going to ride on the flats or were Amazons, with the stiff gearing.
Any idea what percentage of ladies models were made in a given year? Looking at the production figures on the Waterford site I am guessing a 79 P60 or P65 is real rare with a total of just 360 Paramounts for the year. Were there any ladies models made after production moved to the Waterford plant? One more question any idea how many track bikes were made in a year? |
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