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Old 03-12-18, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by mech986 View Post
1. Entering the Concours and which group - pre-87 original or pre-87 restored?

2. Displaying bike(s) in the Display group?

3. going to the Saturday pre-ride dinner, and are you bringing friends or family?

4. Doing any other activities while there?
1. No
2. No
3. Yes to dinner, no to bringing anyone.
4. Does drinking count?

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Just so everyone is on the same page, Eroica has been moved from the downtown Central Park a mile North and slightly east to the Paso Robles Event Center and Fairgrounds. All the festivities, the dinner, swap, Concours, etc. will be held there.
I'll just add that for anyone who is staying on the north end of town - Motel 6, Holiday Inn, Adelaide Inn, Oaks, Best Western, maybe more - that is a short walk/ride from your hotel. In that respect it's great as I've always stayed on that end of town, though there are no shops/restaurants to speak of nearby like there are in the downtown location so it's not so good for those with non-riders attending.
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Good point.
And if I recall correctly, the Starbucks is right there around the corner. Scones!
I'm at the Adelaide this year, totally lucked out location-wise!


Ps: Our family has a Giving Program & we support the SLO Hospice directly. GREAT organization!
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Originally Posted by rccardr View Post
Good point.
And if I recall correctly, the Starbucks is right there around the corner. Scones!
I'm at the Adelaide this year, totally lucked out location-wise!


Ps: Our family has a Giving Program & we support the SLO Hospice directly. GREAT organization!
Yeah, I'm at the Adelaide as well. Just a short walk over to the event center.
No need to ride the bike to dinner Saturday night.
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Ill be doing the coastal route again this year on my Serotta. That is unless my wife decides to accompany me at the last minute, then Ill probably doing the short route. Sorry, no pic of the bike to post, but its basically the same as last year with a few mods.
Im also at the Adelaide and Im interested in doing the Saturday ride, if Im solo.
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I’m at the Adelaide also! Checking in Sat morning, definitely doing a sat ride
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Sounds like the Adelaide Inn is going to be Bike Forums Central! Between there and the Gugie Magic Bus, there should be no end of fun, frivolity, libations, and shenanigans.
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Has anyone tried the MKS MC-2 cleat, that will mount to a modern three hole shoe?

My shoes from last year were a bit of a disappointment and I want to upgrade. I'm thinking of just getting a mid-level shoe in black. Last year, during my preparations, I ordered a set of cleats from Yellow Jersey. When they arrived, I mocked them up on some shoes and when they were in the pedals the front of the sole was way over the pedal, about 5mm.

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Don't know if this is the right thread-

I am seriously considering this.

I am in Santa Barbara, so I would just drive from my GF's house (closer to Paso) so this is in my backyard so to speak.

Bike choice from the collection would be my 1970 Paramount (cool family history on that one) that was "hot rodded" in the early 80's to SR and GP4's etc.

What I will need are some shoes. I did a quick search, and found some new examples (retro), so I might have some questions about quality etc. I am size 43.

I will know for sure in a few days. My schedule looks open right now.
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Originally Posted by velomateo View Post
Has anyone tried the MKS MC-2 cleat, that will mount to a modern three hole shoe?

My shoes from last year were a bit of a disappointment and I want to upgrade. I'm thinking of just getting a mid-level shoe in black. Last year, during my preparations, I ordered a set of cleats from Yellow Jersey. When they arrived, I mocked them up on some shoes and when they were in the pedals the front of the sole was way over the pedal, about 5mm.
Not sure if you mean the toe is up higher by about 5 mm. If you use the cleat, the cleat should be set back so that the slot engages only the rear pedal ridge. The slot, due to its bottom thickness, will push the rear ridge down relative to the pedal axis, and the front of the pedal and your toe will rotate slightly upward, giving you that slight elevation, relative to the pedal axis. In practice, if you ride with your foot horizontal, it will just rotate the pedal to make your foot horizontal, instead of the pedal and your foot both being horizontal. If you ride toes down like some do, same thing, the pedals rotates to accommodate.

The cleats should be set up like this pic from Yellow Jersey's website:



This is their newest revised 2018 cleat design, apparently same price:



Originally Posted by Erzulis Boat View Post
Don't know if this is the right thread-

I am seriously considering this.

I am in Santa Barbara, so I would just drive from my GF's house (closer to Paso) so this is in my backyard so to speak.

Bike choice from the collection would be my 1970 Paramount (cool family history on that one) that was "hot rodded" in the early 80's to SR and GP4's etc.

What I will need are some shoes. I did a quick search, and found some new examples (retro), so I might have some questions about quality etc. I am size 43.

I will know for sure in a few days. My schedule looks open right now.
Hey EB, this is the thread for Eroica California 2018 so glad to have you on board. Hope you will be able to go and have some fun!

There is a thread on suitable vintage looking shoes here:

L'Eroica Shoes

Some of us will still opt for a more modern shoe due to fit or size issues with retro shoes, or affordability / availability issues. I have trouble finding affordable retro style shoes in a EEE wide to fit my feet.
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Originally Posted by Erzulis Boat View Post

What I will need are some shoes. I did a quick search, and found some new examples (retro), so I might have some questions about quality etc. I am size 43.
Lots of people riding Adidas Samba and that type of basic athletic shoe. Especially if you are not ready to ride the hills, get something comfortable walking in.

I rode something like this last year and worked great, although bottom of the foot got tired near the end of the day.

Year before, I used old school cleats but they aren't ideal on the steep dirt.

Hope you make it. Eroica is a great bike love-in.

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Originally Posted by velomateo View Post
Has anyone tried the MKS MC-2 cleat, that will mount to a modern three hole shoe?

My shoes from last year were a bit of a disappointment and I want to upgrade. I'm thinking of just getting a mid-level shoe in black. Last year, during my preparations, I ordered a set of cleats from Yellow Jersey. When they arrived, I mocked them up on some shoes and when they were in the pedals the front of the sole was way over the pedal, about 5mm.
I tried these cleats years ago when they came out and found them very hard to use. A modern shoe is just too big to easily get into a clip/strap pedal. I had some late 90's Sidi's that had worn straps so I had the velcro cut off and punched them for laces. But they were still too big to work well.

For one day a year I'll wear my old Detto's and suffer. That's the point,right?

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I've used three different pairs of shoes on Eroica and all have been relatively comfortable for riding and walking:

1) Some totally worn out Diadora's that were designed for three bolt road cleats. Those were very comfortable but are starting to come apart purely due to age

2) Some english leather cycling shoes. Very nice, but the fit is not quite right for me so I've been wearing them less these days. Very nice quality for a decent price. Probably too late to order prior to Eroica Paso Robles this year. Give them a call though...you never know. https://www.rufflander.co.uk/shop/he...ro-cycle-shoe/

3) My Sidi spd shoes (Sidi - cycling and motorcycling shoes and clothes). These are super comfortable and I can actually slip them into my Campy superleggera pedals with christophe clips and straps with relative ease. The cleats are recessed so don't interfere with the pedals. They don't look like they would work, but they do. Only downside is that they do not look period correct.

I would never wear cleats on an Eroica ride (except recessed and unused spd cleats). There's no way you want to be locked into the pedal on those roads and walking in cleats up those rocky muddy hills is ridiculous. Frankly, I don't even tighten the straps...there's simply no need.
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As much as I want to be as vintage as my bike, I'm not heroic enough to wear wear these cleats and be strapped in. I used my old (should be thrown away) shoes with some rubber soles from the shoe repair guy glued on with shoe goo. I cut a slot in the rubber to help keep my foot from sliding fire and aft.
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I tried these cleats years ago when they came out and found them very hard to use. A modern shoe is just too big to easily get into a clip/strap pedal. I had some late 90's Sidi's that had worn straps so I had the velcro cut off and punched them for laces. But they were still too big to work well.

For one day a year I'll wear my old Detto's and suffer. That's the point,right?
The MKS cleat seems to have plastic nubs on either side of the top screw hole. Is this what was giving you the added height, making them difficult to enter the pedal?

As for once a year, I'm hoping to attend more of these type of events, so I'm okay with getting something that fits and works. Last years Lotto's were/are in really nice shape, but were just too big and forced me to adjust my pedal stroke and cost me power on the hillier sections.
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[QUOTE=mech986;20223532]Not sure if you mean the toe is up higher by about 5 mm. If you use the cleat, the cleat should be set back so that the slot engages only the rear pedal ridge. The slot, due to its bottom thickness, will push the rear ridge down relative to the pedal axis, and the front of the pedal and your toe will rotate slightly upward, giving you that slight elevation, relative to the pedal axis. In practice, if you ride with your foot horizontal, it will just rotate the pedal to make your foot horizontal, instead of the pedal and your foot both being horizontal. If you ride toes down like some do, same thing, the pedals rotates to accommodate.

With the Yellow Jersey cleat installed (as pictured) and engaged in the back of the pedal (as you described), the toe of the shoe was not resting on the front of the pedal. It's possible that it was just not compatible with the sole of the shoe I tried them on. I'm accustomed to how this set up works, I raced in the 80's when clippless wasn't what everyone was using. I may give the 2018 version another shot. Thanks for your input.
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Not sure if you mean the toe is up higher by about 5 mm. If you use the cleat, the cleat should be set back so that the slot engages only the rear pedal ridge. The slot, due to its bottom thickness, will push the rear ridge down relative to the pedal axis, and the front of the pedal and your toe will rotate slightly upward, giving you that slight elevation, relative to the pedal axis. In practice, if you ride with your foot horizontal, it will just rotate the pedal to make your foot horizontal, instead of the pedal and your foot both being horizontal. If you ride toes down like some do, same thing, the pedals rotates to accommodate.
With the Yellow Jersey cleat installed (as pictured) and engaged in the back of the pedal (as you described), the toe of the shoe was not resting on the front of the pedal. It's possible that it was just not compatible with the sole of the shoe I tried them on. I'm accustomed to how this set up works, I raced in the 80's when clippless wasn't what everyone was using. I may give the 2018 version another shot. Thanks for your input.
Velomateo, Hmm, interesting. I wonder if that particular shoe had a fairly curved sole where the toe curved more upward than usual? In any case, here's another option to consider - some have suggested to ride without actual cleats but instead of using a road shoe with a smooth bottom, use a sole that has some intrinsic grip if you have to walk some of the steeper climbs. The reason being - when the climb gets steep enough, you'll have to pull out of the toeclip, and with tight strapped cleats, one might not be fast enough before tipping over. Happened to quite a few riders. So some elected to ride with a textured sole without cleats that can slip in and out relatively quickly, but can slip in and give you most of a cleated effect.

Your option of course. If you're a good climber and have good gearing, it may be a moot point. I raced for a few years in the early 70's but now I'm pretty much just an average flat land rider and am still getting my climbing legs.

Otis, where are you coming from and what bike will you be riding?

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Updates!

Eroica California website has updated a number of items that you'll need.

First, the registration page has updated the fees and dates to $150 till April 5, then $200 from April 6-10. I don't know if there will be registration beyond that or on-site, but its likely if you flash cash...

REGISTRATION. EROICA CALIFORNIA | PASO ROBLES CA | 14-15 APRIL 2018

Secondly, the route info has now been updated with new maps, route GPS cue pages, and tweaks due to the move to the Paso Robles Event Center as start and finish lines. The routes are now 40, 70, 89, and 129 miles respectively. I'm sure you coastal and long riders will appreciate the extra 2 miles!

ROUTES. EROICA CALIFORNIA | PASO ROBLES CA | 14-15 APRIL 2018

I'll miss the downtown Park area as it was a nice hub of activity and patronizing the local businesses, but my family and I will make it a point to use them again while we're there, and I hope everyone from BF will too. Plenty of local stores, eateries, galleries, etc. to help the local economy and let them know we cyclists can make a nice impact on their bottom line. Be sure to visit the rest stop businesses pre-race if you're not riding that route and let them know you appreciate their sponsorship and bring home a few items from their stores.

40 mile short route:
Cass Winery - mile 11
Olea Farm Olive Oil - mile 27 (mmmm, garlic fries! and great iced tea.)

70 mile medium route:
Additional Rest Stop from Short Route:
Halter Ranch Winery - mile 55

89 mile Coastal route:
Halter Ranch - mile 16
Linn's Farm, Cambria - mile 35
Cayucos Pier - mile 54
15C Templeton - mile 75

129 mile long Heroic route:
Additional Rest Stops from Medium Route:
Linn's Farm, Cambria - mile 75
Cayucos Pier - mile 94
15C Templeton - mile 116
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Paso Robles Chamber Visitor Center
1225 Park Street, Paso Robles, CA 93446
Open:
Monday - Wednesday: 9:00am - 5:00pm
Thursday - Friday: 9:00am - 6:00*pm
Saturday: 10:00am - 3:00*pm
Sunday: 10:00am - 2:00*pm

Also, for some of you automotive gearheads, there will be a Classic Car Cruise night in Paso Robles on Saturday evening.

Title: Classic Car Cruise Night in Paso Robles
Start: 5:00pm End: 8:00pm
The Place: Kings Oil Tools (lookup)

Address: 2235 Spring Street (map)
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The MKS cleat seems to have plastic nubs on either side of the top screw hole. Is this what was giving you the added height, making them difficult to enter the pedal?
It's the shape of the modern shoe sole, which is designed to only have the cleat make contact with the pedal. And the thickness of the material of the uppers is way bigger than an old shoe. The soles are a curved bulbous shape. Even once you are in the pedal they do not sit well on the pedal as the toe area is not flat. At least on the Sidi's I tried.

Old racing shoes have a mostly flat sole in front of the cleat which sits flat on the pedal.

There's probably a combination of shoe out there that would work. But again, personally I only ride clipless except for an event like this so not something I've looked too deep into after my initial try.
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Your option of course. If you're a good climber and have good gearing, it may be a moot point. I raced for a few years in the early 70's but now I'm pretty much just an average flat land rider and am still getting my climbing legs.

Otis, where are you coming from and what bike will you be riding?
I'll be representing Grants Pass OR on a '77 model Jeff Lyon. Cleated and strapped in tight, ready to stall and barrel roll.
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I'll be representing Grants Pass OR on a '77 model Jeff Lyon. Cleated and strapped in tight, ready to stall and barrel roll.
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Ok, I'm in!

I will get the Paramount ready and post some pics.

Hmmmm. I could run some all black Tufo's, but they might look kinda off. What do you guys think?
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Ok, I'm in!

I will get the Paramount ready and post some pics.

Hmmmm. I could run some all black Tufo's, but they might look kinda off. What do you guys think?
A lot depends on whether you'll ride typical narrow tires but at least 25-28 wide to cope with the non-paved section. Many, assuming you have side and top frame / fork clearances, choose 32-35 mm wide clinchers with gumwall tires from Compass, Soma, Panaracer, Tufoor similar. Using less pressure but more air volume, at 50-60 psi, sometimes less, the tires feel good, roll just as fast, and in most cases, roll over puncture debris rather than suffer flats, YMMV. Cost is not inexpensive but in this case, you just might get what you pay for.

If running tubular, a limited choice of gumwalls but still available in 25-28. Many like good Tufo rim tubular tape but still a lot of adherents for gluing. The vintage look says gumwall,tan, beige sidewalls.
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I'll be representing Grants Pass OR on a '77 model Jeff Lyon. Cleated and strapped in tight, ready to stall and barrel roll.
We want GoPro video of you bombing down those 10% descents and your spiraling down the switchbacks. Then a long glide down Highway 1 with the Pacific beside you.

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Folk have been successful on many types of tires. I recall one of the organizers writing that he did a pre ride on 22 sprinter gatorskins. I used 25mm clincher gatorskins in 2016 and plan on 25mm sprinter gatorskins this year because I have them already and there is only one small knick in a sidewall.

Put some new brake blocks on your paramount for the one long and steep and long descent.
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