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Making a raw polished Cannondale or Klein, has anyone done it?

Old 03-11-18, 10:15 PM
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I worked at a Cannondale shop in the 80s.. a few of the employees at the shop stripped the paint of of their bikes.. They didnt look bad..However they didnt polish up very well. With a ton of Mothers chrome polish you can get it to gleam a little bit but they tanrish up quickly afterwards.
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Originally Posted by jjhabbs View Post
I worked at a Cannondale shop in the 80s.. a few of the employees at the shop stripped the paint of of their bikes.. They didnt look bad..However they didnt polish up very well. With a ton of Mothers chrome polish you can get it to gleam a little bit but they tanrish up quickly afterwards.
Going straight to Mothers polish isn't going to work great. Polishing metal is like polishing lacquer. You've got to start with coarser abrasives and move up slowly through the grits. No reason a Cannondale frame can't be polished to a near mirror shine. They are 6061 like most 'alloy' bike parts. It's tedious for sure, but possible. Once polished, air exposure will start to tarnish it to a dull satin, and like any polished bike part, it'd need to be touched up a couple times a year with Mothers, Ween, etc.
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Old 03-12-18, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Salamandrine View Post
Going straight to Mothers polish isn't going to work great. Polishing metal is like polishing lacquer. You've got to start with coarser abrasives and move up slowly through the grits. No reason a Cannondale frame can't be polished to a near mirror shine. They are 6061 like most 'alloy' bike parts. It's tedious for sure, but possible. Once polished, air exposure will start to tarnish it to a dull satin, and like any polished bike part, it'd need to be touched up a couple times a year with Mothers, Ween, etc.
Yes I totally agree. Ive seen people do it. I was approaching it from the perspective of...Some think that once you remove paint from aluminum the shiny finish is underneath.. As you stated, that isnt true. It takes a lot of effort to get it shiny and keep it shiny!

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I have a rascal that was neon green originally but when i acquired it it was in grey primer and beyond help. I had it baking soda blasted and i went for a 'brushed' look and clear- coated it. I tried to polish it a bit but I didn't know much about polishing then. I like to see the welds but am considering returning it to green. I can't post photos until i make 10 posts!
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https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/b...832668401.html

theres a raw cannonball for sale here, not sure why they left the fork painted.
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I took the paint off my Caadx last year. This is what it looks 10 months later - no finish and no polishing.

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Old 03-13-19, 01:51 AM
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Spartan beauty. Am I missing a shift lever?
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I took the paint off my Caadx last year. This is what it looks 10 months later - no finish and no polishing.

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I need one of those.
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I stripped my aluminum Trek Y-Glide, did some swirl sanding marks then clear coated. I liked the look and it held up well.


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Spartan beauty. Am I missing a shift lever?
yep, thereís a shinano 10 bar end on that left drop, you can just see it above the downtube.
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There was a stripped Cannondale fixie for sale here a few years ago, advertised as a Black Lightning.
I wrote the guy asking why he thought it was a Black Lightning, and the reply was that he had the original bill of sale!
Of course, the paint was gone, and the only black component left was the crank arms.
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Old 03-13-19, 06:35 AM
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A naked Black Lightening? I would love to take the paint off mine, but I love the color, and the paint has some really outstanding durability, I believe it's DuPont Imron. My "Blueberry" 1988 Criterium Series has been through hell and back, but the paint still looks virtually identical to when I bought it over 30 yeas ago. It would be a shame to remove it, it's hands-down the best quality paint I have on any of my bikes.

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Old 03-13-19, 09:35 AM
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My raw Cannondale (not polished). Back when I did this you could still get repro decals. Not sure you still can as Cannondale went after the makers. This is a first gen ('85) ST frame.

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Originally Posted by BlueDevil63 View Post
My raw Cannondale (not polished). Back when I did this you could still get repro decals. Not sure you still can as Cannondale went after the makers. This is a first gen ('85) ST frame.
Thats gorgeous. Are you saying you canít purchase decals from anyone other than Cannondale now?
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Thats gorgeous. Are you saying you canít purchase decals from anyone other than Cannondale now?
I don't know what the current situation is but shortly after I did this the guy making the repro decals was approached by Cannondale and "asked" to stop making and selling them as they violated Cannondale trademark. Cannondale did not themselves sell the old style decals. So there was no way to get them except get them made or make them yourself.

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Looks like https://shop.vintagecannondale.com/ has old style Cannondale decals.

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I don't know what the current situation is but shortly after I did this the guy making the repro decals was approached by Cannondale and "asked" to stop making and selling them as they violated Cannondale trademark. Cannondale did not themselves sell the old style decals. So there was no way to get them except get them made or make them yourself.

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Originally Posted by BlueDevil63 View Post
Looks like https://shop.vintagecannondale.com/ has old style Cannondale decals.
yeah thanks, thatís what I was wondering, whether those are still available. Mineís an Ď85 SR so if I do this Iíd need the same set i think. Iíd go that route rather than individual on the Bay I guess.

Thst does look very good!
Thatís what Iíd try for, not polished. Iíve hand-polished a steel frame before, and ugh too much.
Did you wax it afterward and if so what type?
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I found plenty of Cannondale decals on Amazon and Ebay. I've hand polished a few steel frames too, only to have them rust. But an aluminum Cannondale would be an excellent candidate for clear coating since there's no rust to worry about. If I were to clear coat an aluminum frame, these would be the top two products I've used that gave good results:

KBS Diamond Finish:



And 2k Spraymax Glamour Clear, which is a 2 part paint that's mixed as you spray it on:



It's good stuff, professional quality, dries quickly. I've only just started experimenting with it, but I'm very impressed so far with the results I've seen.
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Thanks for the suggestions!
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