1998 Klein Navigator - CRAZY repaint and retro-mod
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1998 Klein Navigator - CRAZY repaint and retro-mod
My girlfriend was getting tired of her main bike (an old Surly Crosscheck she's had for years), so I suggested we find a cheap older bike, strip the paint, repaint with Spray.Bike, and rebuild with some new parts. I found a 1998 Klein Navigator on Craigslist in a 56cm and brought it home. We stripped the parts, spent hours stripping the tough Klein paint and primer with paint thinner and razor blades, and then spent many more hours implementing her crazy design with Spray.Bike paints.
Overall we were really happy with the results despite a slightly lumpy texture in spots (we left some spots of the old primer) and a little paint bleed here and there due to our amateurish execution.
The Navigator was only made in 1998, I believe this was after Trek had bought Klein but before they moved Klein production from Klein's original Washington facility to Trek's Wisconsin facility. It is a sports touring bike with rack mounts, a steel unicrown fork, and came with mid-level components, including Shimano 600 bar ends, Dia Compe V-brakes and levers, a Sugino touring crankset, etc... And Trek's Icon cockpit, which was ultimately recalled due to stem cracks.
The previous owner had upgraded the bike to STIs, Ultegra 6600 cranks, 105 5500 derailleurs, a Ultegra/Mavic wheelset, a Thomson seatpost, and XTR V-brakes for use as his commuter. Unfortunately I don't think he realized that the STI levers are short pull while the V-brakes require long pull levers. The braking power was horrendous.
Anyway, we cleaned and reused the 105/Ultegra drivetrain (ISIS bb/cranks!) and XTR brakes, but put new Velo Orange PBP wheels on, along with a 1" threadless Soma chrome CX fork, Salsa Cowbell IIs, Cane Creek V levers, Dura Ace 9 speed bar ends, a short Easton stem, a Tange/IRD 1" threadless headset, new Ergon saddle, Panaracer 35mm GravelKings, and the new Serfas ribbon bar tape.
Overall we were really happy with the results despite a slightly lumpy texture in spots (we left some spots of the old primer) and a little paint bleed here and there due to our amateurish execution.
The Navigator was only made in 1998, I believe this was after Trek had bought Klein but before they moved Klein production from Klein's original Washington facility to Trek's Wisconsin facility. It is a sports touring bike with rack mounts, a steel unicrown fork, and came with mid-level components, including Shimano 600 bar ends, Dia Compe V-brakes and levers, a Sugino touring crankset, etc... And Trek's Icon cockpit, which was ultimately recalled due to stem cracks.
The previous owner had upgraded the bike to STIs, Ultegra 6600 cranks, 105 5500 derailleurs, a Ultegra/Mavic wheelset, a Thomson seatpost, and XTR V-brakes for use as his commuter. Unfortunately I don't think he realized that the STI levers are short pull while the V-brakes require long pull levers. The braking power was horrendous.
Anyway, we cleaned and reused the 105/Ultegra drivetrain (ISIS bb/cranks!) and XTR brakes, but put new Velo Orange PBP wheels on, along with a 1" threadless Soma chrome CX fork, Salsa Cowbell IIs, Cane Creek V levers, Dura Ace 9 speed bar ends, a short Easton stem, a Tange/IRD 1" threadless headset, new Ergon saddle, Panaracer 35mm GravelKings, and the new Serfas ribbon bar tape.
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Great find and well done on the wacky balls paint job! It all works in a very crazy way. Plus, you have some very nice parts on it that somehow are a bit stealth. The Octalink Ultegra triple is a favorite of mine (and I have another one now!). How does it ride?
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Great build! What is girlfriend’s verdict? Your component choices are thoughtful, urging many follow up questions. The V-brake levers with the XTR V brakes look like they would work really well. Same with the 3x9 Ultegra/105 drivetrain - brilliant!
I remember hearing about the Klein Navigator. You all are lucky to have one as these are rare. Much more versatile frame than the Performance touring frame which used rim brakes. Love the concept on the paint job - funky & fun for sure. Just curious how bad the original Klein paint was and what the original paint color was.
Also, I have to ask about the angled rack mounts inboard on the seat stays. Is the intention that the rack mounts for a rear rack be bent to fit?
Please give a follow up review of how it rides.
I remember hearing about the Klein Navigator. You all are lucky to have one as these are rare. Much more versatile frame than the Performance touring frame which used rim brakes. Love the concept on the paint job - funky & fun for sure. Just curious how bad the original Klein paint was and what the original paint color was.
Also, I have to ask about the angled rack mounts inboard on the seat stays. Is the intention that the rack mounts for a rear rack be bent to fit?
Please give a follow up review of how it rides.
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I remember hearing about the Klein Navigator. You all are lucky to have one as these are rare. Much more versatile frame than the Performance touring frame which used rim brakes. Love the concept on the paint job - funky & fun for sure. Just curious how bad the original Klein paint was and what the original paint color was.
Also, I have to ask about the angled rack mounts inboard on the seat stays. Is the intention that the rack mounts for a rear rack be bent to fit?
Also, I have to ask about the angled rack mounts inboard on the seat stays. Is the intention that the rack mounts for a rear rack be bent to fit?
That's the stock look for the Navigator. Navy blue. Our frame came looking like that. The paint was in good shape but rather boring.
The angled rack mounts are meant to be used with a rack with flat bendable tangs. Not sure why they did this. Maybe to keep the tangs out of the way of the V brake arms and noodle?
Test ride is pending due to the large amount if snow just dumped in our area. I'll update the thread later.
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Thanks for your prompt response. Yes, I remember seeing photos of that blue paint. I’m considering a repaint on my white 1989 Klein Quantum frame that I recently acquired from eBay. For now, I rubbed the paint out with Meguiar’s Paint cleaner on an old kitchen scrubby sponge, going over the frame 2 or 3 times then switching to Meguiar’s cleaner wax. It cleaned up pretty nice so I’m going to run with it for now. I considered using paint stripper then trying to polish the bare aluminum but that will have to wait for another winter when hobby time is more plentiful.
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Looks cool, followed your other thread here. A couple questions
- Did you do any sanding?
- They say one larger can is enough for a bike, then a can of clear. What would you think I would need if just doing one color + clear? It's just a 57cm frame and steel fork on an old beater.
I'm tempted to spend $50 on my old beater and repaint with the fluoro orange they offer.
Edit - 57cm not inch
- Did you do any sanding?
- They say one larger can is enough for a bike, then a can of clear. What would you think I would need if just doing one color + clear? It's just a 57cm frame and steel fork on an old beater.
I'm tempted to spend $50 on my old beater and repaint with the fluoro orange they offer.
Edit - 57cm not inch
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Tell us more about your experience with Spray.Bike. I'd never heard of it before. Any idea on durability?
oh...just saw the other thread on Spray-Bike.
oh...just saw the other thread on Spray-Bike.
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I like.... I think the bleed on the star look on purpose and artistic.....go ahead and steal that thought and run with it
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I love it. It reminds me of a Landshark or some of the funky Yo Eddie paint schemes.
I never understood those dropouts though
I never understood those dropouts though
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Looks cool, followed your other thread here. A couple questions
- Did you do any sanding?
- They say one larger can is enough for a bike, then a can of clear. What would you think I would need if just doing one color + clear? It's just a 57cm frame and steel fork on an old beater.
I'm tempted to spend $50 on my old beater and repaint with the fluoro orange they offer.
Edit - 57cm not inch
- Did you do any sanding?
- They say one larger can is enough for a bike, then a can of clear. What would you think I would need if just doing one color + clear? It's just a 57cm frame and steel fork on an old beater.
I'm tempted to spend $50 on my old beater and repaint with the fluoro orange they offer.
Edit - 57cm not inch
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Wow, what a compliment! Yeah, the rear facing dropouts are sorta weird. I'd be afraid to see what happened if someone didn't clamp the QR tight enough...
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Actually, the results would be worse on a set of forward-facing DOs if you forgot to clamp the QR tightly. There have been a couple stories here where rear wheels came completely out of the frame. How difficult is getting the rear wheel out of the frame with those rear-facing DOs? It looks like it would be a PITA.
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Neat bike, cool and original paint. What kind of stencil did you use for the tubing ends at the BB? That area in particular looked very cleanly done.
Actually, the results would be worse on a set of forward-facing DOs if you forgot to clamp the QR tightly. There have been a couple stories here where rear wheels came completely out of the frame. How difficult is getting the rear wheel out of the frame with those rear-facing DOs? It looks like it would be a PITA.
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Actually, the results would be worse on a set of forward-facing DOs if you forgot to clamp the QR tightly. There have been a couple stories here where rear wheels came completely out of the frame. How difficult is getting the rear wheel out of the frame with those rear-facing DOs? It looks like it would be a PITA.
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I haven't actually had to remove the rear wheel with chain on yet. I took the old chain off before removing the original wheel and put the new chain in after installing the new wheel XD
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Apart from the rear-facing dropouts, I'm seeing a 1990 Cannondale ST here; OS aluminum tubing, longish chain stays, canti/V-brake posts, steel fork w/mid fork rack braze-ons. Nothing wrong with that. Since C-dale swiped the basic design from Klein in the early 80's I guess turnabout is fair play. It's funny to me, since my ST came to me with V-brakes, not original to that bike. I swapped in cantis, with a lot better modulation (for me). The V's were too grabby.
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The fork is very cool. Great job, she'll be proud to ride it!
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I like that you went completely off the rails on the paint scheme! My LBS has a late 90's Klein Quantum , and by then, the wacky early Klein paint schemes seemed to be a thing of the past
Yours looks original and fun !
Yours looks original and fun !
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