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Old 02-14-18, 12:52 PM
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3Rensho Super Record Export Aero (SRA)

Finally arrived. Been longing for one - it seems like forever. Age (1982-3), model, size, condition, colour and even the price - all things matched and I pulled the trigger.



Looking forward to detailing this frame. A little cleaning and waxing is all that is needed.
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Absolutely beautiful, you one lucky man, fabulous score. When did they go to the unicrown fork?


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Finally arrived. Been longing for one - it seems like forever. Age (1982-3), model, size, condition, colour and even the price - all things matched and I pulled the trigger.



Looking forward to detailing this frame. A little cleaning and waxing is all that is needed.
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Very cool.

Are you going to equip it with vintage aero components?
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Absolutely beautiful, you one lucky man, fabulous score. When did they go to the unicrown fork?
In 3Rensho catalog material from 1986 it says the aero NSA crown came 1982.
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Very cool.

Are you going to equip it with vintage aero components?
Depends on how much time, money and effort I want to put into it. These could be bought as bare frames or built up. In catalog material and price lists from the time they advertised them with Campagnolo Super Record. If going in that direction I can build it tomorrow evening. I have got a life time supply of SR - bought when they were not collector material. If going in the Shimano DA/Suntour Superb and aero direction it will take time and money - as I do not have any at all.

PS - and there is that little nice Campagnolo decal just above the shifters on the down tube... and a bike with "Super Record" decals on the chain stays sort of tries to tell you something.

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very nice looking forward to final build pics
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Originally Posted by styggno1 View Post
PS - and there is that little nice Campagnolo decal just above the shifters on the down tube... and a bike with "Super Record" decals on the chain stays sort of tries to tell you something.

Yes it does
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I was going to say I hate you,...... but it looks like that frame is too big for me anyway, so, Congratulations on the fantastic acquisition!
The 3 Resho is one of my grail bikes that I hope I will eventually own one day....thst is if I can ever afford one!
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Pretty color. I would sell a Campy group and do DA. Maybe AX with those funky crabby looking brakes to make it stand out. Just my .02.
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Perfect for a 3speed fixed IGH grocery getter!

Can't wait to see what you do, campy seems to be the right choice
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My grail list has changed over time....but the 3Rensho seems to always remain at the top of the list. I absolutely love this frame/fork.
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What is the serial? I have owned two like yours, one purple and the other the same color as yours.

According to an email I have from Andrew Muzi (North American importer of 3Rensho), what you have is an early SRA which is the aero model that replaced the SR. He dates them 1984-85.
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Originally Posted by CV-6 View Post
What is the serial? I have owned two like yours, one purple and the other the same color as yours.

According to an email I have from Andrew Muzi (North American importer of 3Rensho), what you have is an early SRA which is the aero model that replaced the SR. He dates them 1984-85.


I wrote an e-mail to Andrew Muzi today and put forward my research and theory. I asked him to verify or correct my findings.

Excerpt of mail:
Thru my findings I have come to believe I have got a very early SRA. I base this on four things:

1 Serial number "A184"
· 1982/3 - my estimate is based on analyzing other A-serial 3Rensho: s in detail.
2 Shimano EF fork ends.
· I have come to understand that the non aero model, SR, used Shimano EF fork ends – which in my mind would suggest this SRA is early production i.e. pre Campagnolo fork ends.
3 Single bottle cage.
· The two bottle cage “rage” was not full on in the early 80ies
4 Rear derailleur cable stop in earlier 3Rensho style.
· From studying frames it seems like they went to the more standard sphere shaped model as the 80ies progressed.

Mr Muzi was kind to answer:

"Yes it's an early SRA and that would be 1983. I pushed for Campagnolo ends afterwards and later he designed his own big heavy cast SuperEnds around 1987."

Research paid off. A 1983 3Rensho SRA it is.

PS - the SRA did not replace the SR. The SRA was added to the line up alongside SR. They run parallell in the Ariel documents 1983, 84 and 86.

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PS - and there is that little nice Campagnolo decal just above the shifters on the down tube... and a bike with "Super Record" decals on the chain stays sort of tries to tell you something.
With the Super Record decals on the chainstays, I kinda think you have to build it up with Super Record. Didn't notice those the first time I looked. Building up some ~32H early aero section rims would be an appropriate homage to its aero-ness. They were around then, but still considered exotic. If you can find some semi aero-ish JDM (Nitto or Sugino or ?) stem and bars, that might be a nice touch.

Congratulations on confirming the year. That sounds right.
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Originally Posted by styggno1 View Post
I wrote an e-mail to Andrew Muzi today and put forward my research and theory. I asked him to verify or correct my findings.

Excerpt of mail:
Thru my findings I have come to believe I have got a very early SRA. I base this on four things:

1 Serial number "A184"
· 1982/3 - my estimate is based on analyzing other A-serial 3Rensho: s in detail.
2 Shimano EF fork ends.
· I have come to understand that the non aero model, SR, used Shimano EF fork ends – which in my mind would suggest this SRA is early production i.e. pre Campagnolo fork ends.
3 Single bottle cage.
· The two bottle cage “rage” was not full on in the early 80ies
4 Rear derailleur cable stop in earlier 3Rensho style.
· From studying frames it seems like they went to the more standard sphere shaped model as the 80ies progressed.

Mr Muzi was kind to answer:

"Yes it's an early SRA and that would be 1983. I pushed for Campagnolo ends afterwards and later he designed his own big heavy cast SuperEnds around 1987."

Research paid off. A 1983 3Rensho SRA it is.

PS - the SRA did not replace the SR. The SRA was added to the line up alongside SR. They run parallell in the Ariel documents 1983, 84 and 86.
The A184 and the Shimano ends would indeed make it earlier than stated by me. As for the SRA replacing the SR, those were Andrew's words, not mine, from his email. I owned A525 and A658.
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The A184 and the Shimano ends would indeed make it earlier than stated by me. As for the SRA replacing the SR, those were Andrew's words, not mine, from his email. I owned A525 and A658.
Seems like the production picked up speed if those were 84-85. My wife has SRE A59. When I contacted a while back he said "that is easy, 1982". They must have began the A series "Export" in late or 81' or 82'.

Assos made a nice aero rim during that time.
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Seems like they all have it at some point?

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In 3Rensho catalog material from 1986 it says the aero NSA crown came 1982.
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Huge envy. Congrats. I have been looking for the same bicycle however I am looking for the Silvery blue color.. dont know the official color name. Your going to love that bicycle. GREAT climber! enjoy Congrats!
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The A184 and the Shimano ends would indeed make it earlier than stated by me. As for the SRA replacing the SR, those were Andrew's words, not mine, from his email. I owned A525 and A658.

Your research has really helped me as in when researching my serial I found the quote you are referring to:

"That's an early SRA, the aero model that replaced the SR.
Changes are: plate behind BB, aero fork blades, aero crown, no chrome, drop Shimano EF ends for Campagnolo 1010B ends, aero seat stays, fastback and the shifter mount on top for aero levers ( sizes 525 &up; they won't fit on a 480 or a 505) There were a special models based on that SRA frame too , such as Black And Gold with real gold plating.
As I said I don't have the actual records from serial numbers 500-800 but it's a late 1984 or an '85.
The colors changed in 1985 to secondary, softer pearl colors, lavender instead of purple, aquamarine and rose."


It was very helpful as it gave me the Shimano EF transition clue and a serial number range. It narrowed it down. I am grateful.

I was aware of Muzi saying "replaced". When looking at the US Ariel documents and international/Japanese 3Rensho material they do however strongly indicate the models going parallell for quite a while. Too long to be just SR remaining stock. On basis of this my guess/belief is he meant replaced as in "as road top model" - but I, of course, do not know this. I feel that I have come to/stretched my questinaire limit with him and out of respect do not want to take up more of his time to get a clearification on the "replaced" matter. Maybe later or if someone else picks up when in contact with him...

I am sorry for sounding too factual in the PS part of my earlier respons. My bad.

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Beautiful frame-set, it will be great to watch here, once you decide on which build components you wish to use, regardless of the choice. Thanks for the education that you and @CV-6 have provided about these bikes, also.

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Originally Posted by styggno1 View Post
Your research has really helped me as in when researching my serial I found the quote you are referring to:

"That's an early SRA, the aero model that replaced the SR.
Changes are: plate behind BB, aero fork blades, aero crown, no chrome, drop Shimano EF ends for Campagnolo 1010B ends, aero seat stays, fastback and the shifter mount on top for aero levers ( sizes 525 &up; they won't fit on a 480 or a 505) There were a special models based on that SRA frame too , such as Black And Gold with real gold plating.
As I said I don't have the actual records from serial numbers 500-800 but it's a late 1984 or an '85.
The colors changed in 1985 to secondary, softer pearl colors, lavender instead of purple, aquamarine and rose."


It was very helpful as it gave me the Shimano EF transition clue and a serial number range. It narrowed it down. I am grateful.

I was aware of Muzi saying "replaced". When looking at the US Ariel documents and international/Japanese 3Rensho material they do however strongly indicate the models going parallell for quite a while. Too long to be just SR remaining stock. On basis of this my guess/belief is he meant replaced as in "as road top model" - but I, of course, do not know this. I feel that I have come to/stretched my questinaire limit with him and out of respect do not want to take up more of his time to get a clearification on the "replaced" matter. Maybe later or if someone else picks up when in contact with him...

I am sorry for sounding too factual in the PS part of my earlier response. My bad.
No worries. This is what it is fun about this and some other bike groups. People learning and discovering. I did not realize I had shared that email to the group previously. I got to learn something also.
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Very nice! DA-AX or 600AX would be the route that I'd go. Can't wait to see it built up!
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Gorgeous! I should think so as I’m building up the same frame in the same size and color, just a slightly later model.

Good info in this thread too!
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OK - this one has now entered the build list as no 3 or 4 in line. Got to finish a couple of (or three...) Bianchis first but then it is this one. That makes it high time to decide on what the frame will wear. It will be Super Record - with some twists. It will be built with Super Record parts but with period correct Roval aero wheels. Roval came to market around 1977 and was really ahead of its time. Bladed spokes, hidden spoke nipples, straight pull ends, etc. Got a couple of sets (one set tubulars and one set clincher) and I have been pondering over what bike they would/could be used on. This one must be it. It is an Aero after all.




Considering the frame being from 1983 and Campagnolo not yet fully into aero routing of the brake cables I am going to replicate aero routing a la pre C-record era. Which means modifying Record/Super Record brake handles for aero routing. I have been collecting pictures of this practice for a while and there are a couple of ways to do it. I have chosen the difficult but/and more mechanically logic way. It involves drilling, milling and fabricating parts - which is not a big problem for me. Without getting into details I have chosen this path because it is what Campagnolo themselves thought to be the way to go.

There has been some internet talk over the years about if Campagnolo actually provided some individuals or teams with aero brake handles pre C-record era. I will not get into that debate (much). What I do know is that Campagnolo made sure late Record and Super Record handles could be modifyed. Here is a picture of a "normal" brake handle base:



I have quite a stash of handles and out of all those - these five stand out as something special:



And when peeking inside:




This picture I have borrowed from the net, and I do not know to whom it belongs, but it shows a drilled one. Considering it has the same finish inside the drilling as the rest of the part I would bet it was done by Campagnolo (that is my contribution to the aforementioned debate):



This pic (from the same unknown internet source) shows what else that is needed for it to work:



I have also got hold of this Gipiemme aero shifter base - that is needed if not going Shimano:



Bar and stem = Cinelli 1R and GdI

Saddle... Do not know yet.

This is going to be fun!

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