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My 80's Muddy Fox Explorer MTB/ATB

Old 02-15-18, 04:06 PM
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My 80's Muddy Fox Explorer MTB/ATB

Picked this up today for $20 from it's original owner. He bought it from an up and coming bike shop in his area back in the 80's. It's a size too big for me but I'm keeping it because of the nice components and lugged frame. I didn't find much on the internet other than all the posts about it from GB. Plans are just to refurb it back to original.
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Old 02-15-18, 04:08 PM
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If anyone can shed some light on this brand, please post it here. Thanks!
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Hi! I have seen some Araya branded Muddy Foxes before if that helps. Not sure exactly who made them for Araya though, but somebody around here probably does.
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That's a cool lugged frame and the branded/approved components up the uniqueness. Never heard of an XC 7000, I've got a Cyclone 7000. Rollercam as well, maybe circa 89? I love it. Used to see Muddy Foxes in Toronto back in the day.
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Wiki says they started as a British BMX maker in the early 80s and switched to mountain when sales dropped. I'll get some pictures of mine when I get healthy.
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The shop I work at was a dealer back in the day for Muddy Fox, I think all we have left are some Decals in our decal case of the paw print.

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Lots of cool little touches. I would do the Asian serial number check. Appears built to JIS standards. Would be interesting to know who made. I think Novara was Kuwahara made, but this is full lugged. Not sure if you ID'd the Yellow Novara you posted but looks similar level.
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Thanks for the info,all! Yeah when I have time I'll definitely take the obligatory photo of the serial number. @Bikerider007: My thoughts too about this being around the same era as my Novara. We figured out that one is an'87.
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That's amazing! Love how the stem anodizing has faded into a coffee color, it really compliments the yellow well. Nice score!
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Sugino had date codes on their cranks althoughit's a little convoluted.
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Originally Posted by 2cam16
Picked this up today for $20 from it's original owner. He bought it from an up and coming bike shop in his area back in the 80's. It's a size too big for me but I'm keeping it because of the nice components and lugged frame. I didn't find much on the internet other than all the posts about it from GB. Plans are just to refurb it back to original.
A size too big tends to work well for a drop bar conversion. Then you don't need a crazy high stem to make the drops work. But, with all the Muddy Fox labeled components, I can understand keeping it original.
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Cool bike.

The calipers should have the 2 digit date code stamped on the back of the arms. I'd guess 86.
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Thanks again,all! @Pompiere I thought about the drop bar thing too but finding a bike this original and from this era is hard to come by, at least for me. So Keeping it original was my final decision. I have a drop bar GT conversion in the works anyway and that will be in another thread.
Here's the serial number. I'm assuming it's an '87:
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And while the bike was upside down, I had to take a pic of the roller cams:
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Braze on cable guides...snazzy class!
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Originally Posted by 3speedslow
Braze on cable guides...snazzy class!
Yeah just like my Poderosa too:
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Originally Posted by 2cam16
Here's the serial number. I'm assuming it's an '87:
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@T-Mar: any chance of deciphering who the frame manufacturer is?
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^ sorry, no clue to the manufacturer, but it would appear to be April 1987, which is a good fit for XC-7000. I suspect it's Taiwanese, based on the format and 'T' prefix
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The history of Muddy is a little muddy but I found this on Retrobike. And supposedly was the first Mountain bike brand in Europe. That has to be a pretty early one. Definitely the coolest I have seen.

The Company was started by Drew Lawson and a greek shipping magnate whose name, like most greek shipping magnates, is neither spellable nor pronouncable.
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They bought a French bicycle company, which may have been Hirondelle, (or possibly Motobecane) which had gone bankrupt. They opened a shop in Cavendish Street in order to flog off the stock they had acquired, and very rapidly became aware of the burgoning mountain bike movement. The factory in France was still functional, so they quickly designed a MTB and had it built. Added to that was a marketing budget way bigger than any of their competitors. Eventually the bikes were bought in from the far east, where a great variety of machines were on offer, just waiting for the Muddy Fox decals to be applied.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
^ sorry, no clue to the manufacturer, but it would appear to be April 1987, which is a good fit for XC-7000. I suspect it's Taiwanese, based on the format and 'T' prefix
Much appreciated as always, T-Mar!
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Originally Posted by Bikerider007
The history of Muddy is a little muddy but I found this on Retrobike. And supposedly was the first Mountain bike brand in Europe. That has to be a pretty early one. Definitely the coolest I have seen.

The Company was started by Drew Lawson and a greek shipping magnate whose name, like most greek shipping magnates, is neither spellable nor pronouncable.
The story as I learned it goes thus:
They bought a French bicycle company, which may have been Hirondelle, (or possibly Motobecane) which had gone bankrupt. They opened a shop in Cavendish Street in order to flog off the stock they had acquired, and very rapidly became aware of the burgoning mountain bike movement. The factory in France was still functional, so they quickly designed a MTB and had it built. Added to that was a marketing budget way bigger than any of their competitors. Eventually the bikes were bought in from the far east, where a great variety of machines were on offer, just waiting for the Muddy Fox decals to be applied.
Thanks for the info, 007!
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@2cam16 found a 89' Catalog. It says a marriage of CA, Osaka and London Built in Japan. And almost sounds like their first complete catalog.
Muddy Fox 1989 Catelogue | Retrobike
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the suntour roller cam brake is probably worth as much as the rest combined..
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Originally Posted by frantik
the suntour roller cam brake is probably worth as much as the rest combined..
That has value but all of those stamped parts would be picked up by Muddy Fox owners at a premium. Or add to a sale value.

Explorer model is not listed in 89' but has to be near or at the top.
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