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Old 10-03-18, 10:24 AM
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Are you talking about the bottle opener tool? If so, in its absence, channel lock pliers will work--just don't crush the retainer ring. I have the tool but am still riding with the Helicomatic system and need the tool.
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No, not Helicomatic. This is the much older freewheel.
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Originally Posted by Iowegian View Post
Is the BMX standard smaller than a nominal 1" stem? I'm just thinking the OP might need a set of bars for a 1" stem and not a 1-1/8 stem. I have never seen bullmoose bars from the 1-1/8 era but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

I think I have a 21.1 quill 'golfclub' stem if there is any interest in that. Not sure how that would help the OP but thought I'd throw it out there for anyone else. I'd have to measure it to verify if it is 21.1 or 22.2 but I'm leaning towards 21.1.
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I ordered some bullmoose bars on ebay and unfortunately they don't fit my bike. So I'm looking to trade them for a set that will, or sell them. 21 mm quill. 80's vintage. I guess I need a stem that fits 1-1/8. I'm new to the forum and it won't let me post pics until I reach 10 posts. So if interested, contact me and I can send you pictures. I'll also post pics when I'm able to.
If you have the early 21.1 bmx standard stem diameter, you'll have a hard time finding bullmoose bars in that size. Adapting the bike to other stem/bar designs will also be a challenge. You can look for. 833 stems online, these are a match. Or find a quill adapter to go from 21.1 to 22.2. Also a little rare. Measure your steerer carefully, no guesswork allowed
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Originally Posted by kiblam View Post
Do you have any idea on how I could fit these bars on my 90's trek 8000 (still have been unable to figure out the exact year)? 1" (25.4mm) headset
Because Bullmoose bars have the quill built in, there’s nothing I would do to adapt them to your bike - shims are not a good option here. If the seller didn’t disclose the actual quill diameter (21.1), it’s possible you could get a return for them. If not, someone here may need them.

The vast majority of Bullmoose bars made have 22.2 diameter quills, a used one will turn up (with patience? or you can pay the premium at Rivendell (or some online seller) for new. Or you can go with some other option in a 22.2 quill (there are lots!).

How wide are the Bullmoose bars?
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Old 10-03-18, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by clubman View Post
If you have the early 21.1 bmx standard stem diameter, you'll have a hard time finding bullmoose bars in that size. Adapting the bike to other stem/bar designs will also be a challenge. You can look for. 833 stems online, these are a match. Or find a quill adapter to go from 21.1 to 22.2. Also a little rare. Measure your steerer carefully, no guesswork allowed
I think we may need clarification from the OP on what his headset diameter is and what his Bullmoose quill stem diameter is. I think we are giving conflicting advice based on different interpretations...
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Old 10-03-18, 01:05 PM
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Agreed. Hence the need to measure twice, order once!
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Originally Posted by clubman View Post
Agreed. Hence the need to measure twice, order once!
The corollary is “measure once, order twice.” Been there, done that :eyeroll:
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Originally Posted by mountaindave View Post

Because Bullmoose bars have the quill built in, there’s nothing I would do to adapt them to your bike - shims are not a good option here. If the seller didn’t disclose the actual quill diameter (21.1), it’s possible you could get a return for them. If not, someone here may need them.

The vast majority of Bullmoose bars made have 22.2 diameter quills, a used one will turn up (with patience? or you can pay the premium at Rivendell (or some online seller) for new. Or you can go with some other option in a 22.2 quill (there are lots!).

How wide are the Bullmoose bars?
I'm not too sure on the width but I can get a measurement when I get home. As for the correct stem size, I figured 1inch is 25.4mm. I keep seeing mentions of 22.2 but I think I should be looking for a diameter of 1". I'm still not able to post a picture yet but I will as soon as I can. Trying not to spam the thread with posts.
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Originally Posted by clubman View Post
If you have the early 21.1 bmx standard stem diameter, you'll have a hard time finding bullmoose bars in that size. Adapting the bike to other stem/bar designs will also be a challenge. You can look for. 833 stems online, these are a match. Or find a quill adapter to go from 21.1 to 22.2. Also a little rare. Measure your steerer carefully, no guesswork allowed
It's not the stem I need. The bars come with the stem. It seems like I just need to accept that these bars aren't going on my bike.
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Originally Posted by kiblam View Post
I'm not too sure on the width but I can get a measurement when I get home. As for the correct stem size, I figured 1inch is 25.4mm. I keep seeing mentions of 22.2 but I think I should be looking for a diameter of 1". I'm still not able to post a picture yet but I will as soon as I can. Trying not to spam the thread with posts.
just start up a new thread

but to quickly answer your question, a 1” (25.4 mm) threaded steerer tube takes a 7/8” (22.2 mm) quill stem. 1” is the outside diameter where the headset goes, 7/8” is the inside diameter where the quill goes.

See here for more glorious info: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/cribsheet-headsets.html

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Originally Posted by kiblam View Post
It's not the stem I need. The bars come with the stem. It seems like I just need to accept that these bars aren't going on my bike.
Got it. It just helps to be specific in exactly which measurements you're referring to. In your initial post you said you purchased stem/bars that didn't fit and then you mentioned 21.8 but what does that refer to or are you maybe guessing? Were the purchased bars too small or too big? It's likely still a 1" headset and as mountaindave suggests the ID is usually 22.2. If it's not, your bike may conform to the mid 80's bmx 21.15 stem standard. The inside diameter of the steerer is needed to move forward. Also a 1 1/1/8" headset comes from a later generation of bike.

I mentioned the adapters and stem alternatives only as a next step solution to getting a 21.15 stemmed mtn bike on the road if you can't find the bullmoose unit you want. They're not common.

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I sounds like you need 0.833" (21.1mm) bullmoose bars. I've actually got some out in my shed, but they're specific to Raleigh MTBs (they have a Raleigh logo on them).

You can get an idea from this pic I've stolen from the interwebs:




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It's not the stem I need. The bars come with the stem. It seems like I just need to accept that these bars aren't going on my bike.

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ISO: Bianchi Celeste Sport SX or Limited or Brava or Trofeo in size 53cm. Doesnt need to be perfect as far as paint.

Have: 1950s Accles Pollack frameset 58cm and 1980s Araya Aerodynamic 59cm

Frame for frame or if Bianchi is superior ill trade both


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Interested in getting a few Celeste items to go with my Bianchi Axis. Anyone have some bar tape or bottle cages they want to trade?

Thanks for all considerations!
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Interested in getting a few Celeste items to go with my Bianchi Axis. Anyone have some bar tape or bottle cages they want to trade?

Thanks for all considerations!
Are you ok with cork bar tape? I bought some a while back but never installed it. Yours for cost of shipping.
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Are you ok with cork bar tape? I bought some a while back but never installed it. Yours for cost of shipping.
Most excellent!! Cork will do nicely for now. Let me know how much shipping to 28540 is and I will send it along. Give me your mailing address in a PM.

Thanks! Law
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Depiction below is someone else's nasty dirty from the net ;-)

I have the red skewer on the front but wouldn't mind either color. The bike is white and blue with badge hinting red. Mixing it up with blue is fine with me.
Did you ever find a skewer? I have a whole set of hubs I could send you!


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So . . . this is probably a long shot, but what the heck. I'm looking for an od Raleigh Carlton or Lenton frameset that I can build up into a 3-speed cruiser for some of the local events around here. I need something in the 58cm range. For trade, I have a pretty decent 1985 Gazelle Champion Mondial AB frameset at 60cm (59 c-t-c if I recall correctly). It's full 531 and has served me well for the past ten years. Check the pics, and let me know if you have anything that might work for me. Thanks!



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Most excellent!! Cork will do nicely for now. Let me know how much shipping to 28540 is and I will send it along. Give me your mailing address in a PM.

Thanks! Law
Before i send it out to just want to confirm itll work for you.

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ISO: Nice 28 hole 7s or 8s Shimano rear hub. 600 or Deore or something. Uniglide or Hyperglide is fine, as I have a 7s HG freehub to swap in. Probably not DA, as I don't know if freehubs I have are compatible.

I have much to trade. Let me know what you're looking for.
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Originally Posted by malcala622 View Post
Before i send it out to just want to confirm itll work for you.

That will work fine. Little lighter then the Celeste on there but fine for now. Must change it as the red tape is growing on me and I have red accessories too. Will really enjoy this bike when my wrist heals!

Thanks man! Law
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How about a complete Raleigh Lenton Sports, 1951, in somewhat less than pristine condition? 23" frame, original paint... nicely made plain gauge 531 frame made as a three speed and still a three speed.


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So . . . this is probably a long shot, but what the heck. I'm looking for an od Raleigh Carlton or Lenton frameset that I can build up into a 3-speed cruiser for some of the local events around here. I need something in the 58cm range. For trade, I have a pretty decent 1985 Gazelle Champion Mondial AB frameset at 60cm (59 c-t-c if I recall correctly). It's full 531 and has served me well for the past ten years. Check the pics, and let me know if you have anything that might work for me. Thanks!



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ISO: 170 left crank arm that looks like this. Campy, SR, Sugino, Sakae, Nervar. What have you got? I have a few orphan rights that need lefts, and as long as the looks are in the ballpark, I'm good.
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ISO: 170 left crank arm that looks like this. Campy, SR, Sugino, Sakae, Nervar. What have you got? I have a few orphan rights that need lefts, and as long as the looks are in the ballpark, I'm good.
Ironically, I just pulled out the crank box and kept one of those arms (I tossed the beater and oddball crap). I'm not sure which one, but I'm fairly certain it's fluted, Japanese, and 170mm. Unfortunately, I'm out of town for a bit, so can't get to the box. Can you PM me in a week or so?
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Hey all!

had a rapid call up from Miguel who had some Celeste tape. Still looking to see if anyone has some Celeste bottle cages they want to trade.

Thanks for consideration!

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Ironically, I just pulled out the crank box and kept one of those arms (I tossed the beater and oddball crap). I'm not sure which one, but I'm fairly certain it's fluted, Japanese, and 170mm. Unfortunately, I'm out of town for a bit, so can't get to the box. Can you PM me in a week or so?
Thanks a lot, I'll PM you next Tuesday.
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