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Old 02-18-18, 06:46 PM
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Best Wheel Build Link(s)?

Gave up on trying to find a Campy high flange rear wheel for my '74 Paramount so I'm going to take a shot at building one. I think I can get close and take to a bike shop for truing.

I have a Campy Record high flange hub (36-hole). I'm going to try to find a nice Weinmann rear 27 x 1-1/4 wheel. Any suggestions for spokes and most importantly, what are some wheel build web sites or links I can study?

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Sheldon Brown is a good place to start.

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Old 02-19-18, 11:03 AM
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Sheldon Brown is a good place to start.

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Another recommendation for Sheldon Brown....

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Sheldon's page is good. If you want additional information and don't mind paying $12 for it, I recommend Roger Musson's e-book: https://www.wheelpro.co.uk/wheelbuilding/book.php
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Old 02-19-18, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
Sheldon's page is good. If you want additional information and don't mind paying $12 for it, I recommend Roger Musson's e-book: https://www.wheelpro.co.uk/wheelbuilding/book.php
I just built my first set using Roger's e-book and found it very helpful.

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Thanks gents. I think I'll refer to Mr. Sheldon and buy the book. It doesn't seem you can go wrong for $12.00
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Another vote for Sheldon
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Thanks gents. I think I'll refer to Mr. Sheldon and buy the book. It doesn't seem you can go wrong for $12.00
You will not regret it, excellent book.
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Sheldon, also

http://www.troubleshooters.com/bicycles/wheelbuilding/

I've used Roger Musson's e-book, Sheldon's site, and the one in the link I posted. The link has some very complete and thorough instructions. I used it for the disc wheels I built last year, as it has some very detailed instructions on that particular subject, as well.
Ultimately, I've found it doesn't really matter for me; they all work well. I do think Sheldon's is the simplest, most straight forward though.
Good luck!

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This is a good wheel building step-by-step illustration on Flickr. Each picture contains a bit of text.
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Old 02-20-18, 03:08 PM
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The Sheldon guide looks good to me. I didn't learn to build wheels from a book, but the method he shows is my preferred way to do it. Actually, I take that back. I built my first set from instructions in Eugene Sloane's Complete Book of Bicycling when I was 14. The Sloane book shows the old porcupine/Schwinn way. The Sheldon guide shows the 'norcal' way to do it -- basically the same as in the Jobst Brandt book The Bicycle Wheel. That book was the standard guide for many years. Good if you really want to geek out on the subject. Sheldon's guide, being a how to article instead of a book, leaves out a lot of details like symmetrical vs asymmetrical, pros and cons of various crosses and patterns, etc.

FWIW I prefer to lube the spoke threads with walnut or linseed oil instead of grease.
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Originally Posted by Salamandrine View Post
The Sheldon guide looks good to me. I didn't learn to build wheels from a book, but the method he shows is my preferred way to do it. Actually, I take that back. I built my first set from instructions in Eugene Sloane's Complete Book of Bicycling when I was 14. The Sloane book shows the old porcupine/Schwinn way.
When I first started out building wheels there was no Sheldonbrown.com. I learned from the Brandt book. Very shortly thereafter I learned the Schwinn way, which I have used ever since. I strongly prefer it to the single-spoke way. Much faster, and harder to screw up the lacing once you figure out what's happening. Easily adapts to right-hand or left-hand spoking too.

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FWIW I prefer to lube the spoke threads with walnut or linseed oil instead of grease.
Linseed oil is my preferred lube on spoke threads as well.
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If I had to guess my wheel build count is somewhere north of 3,000.

Way back in the Mavic had a technical bulletin that said drive spoke heads should face in....
Its more tricky to lace a wheel for this. The usual methods of lacing give you drive spokes with heads in on one side and heads out on the other.

I lubed them with Tri-Flow and get a tick of a drop under the nipple head as well.

When tensioning the spokes tighten the nipples down so equal threads are showing them tighten the drive side down another 2 turns. Your essential pre-dishing the wheel. From there, tighten them down all the same. When you get a little tension on them go ahead and do quick true. From there tighten and repeat. When they're at full tension check the dish.
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Originally Posted by Salamandrine View Post
The Sloane book shows the old porcupine/Schwinn way.
Insert all spokes into hub first? That's how I learned.
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Old 02-20-18, 06:19 PM
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Good leads. Thanks again.
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The book by Jobst Brandt - I think it’s called The Bicycle Wheel. I skipped straight to the actual build part of the book. Built about 10 wheels using this technique, before taking a 3 day workshop. Good luck.

Link : http://caravan.hobby.ru/materiel/Bic...bst_Brandt.pdf
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