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Old 03-18-18, 05:07 PM
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~1996 Lemond Ti

Some of yooze may remember my Lemond which I’ve shown here. It was too small. As luck had it, @Andy_K noticed I was looking for something similar in a larger size. He passed the word on to his friend @Andy Antipas who had an almost identical fram in my size and was too big for him. We traded, and I built this one up yesterday. I think this worked out well.

I’ll be putting different handlebars and stem on and taping the bars. As pictured, the saddle was too high and far back, and I think I have it right now.





More pictures: https://photos.app.goo.gl/PgZkCD1Yduygwlwu2

I’m just guessing at the model year.
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I forget who built those - someone will chime in here soon - but that one looks distinctly Litespeed-ish.
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Originally Posted by aeshultz View Post
I forget who built those - someone will chime in here soon - but that one looks distinctly Litespeed-ish.
The rumor and generally accepted story is that a small company called Clark-Kent built them, composed of guys named Clark and Kent. And the company didn't last long.
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Really glad to read that the trade work out for you! Good things happen to nice people.
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Nice swap. I imagine to find one of these is pretty scarce but to find an identical, aside the size plus work a trade is super.

How's the ride?
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
The rumor and generally accepted story is that a small company called Clark-Kent built them, composed of guys named Clark and Kent. And the company didn't last long.
It is a fact that Lemond and his businessman father worked with a significant number of companies, large and small. Tough business people. Part of the innovative side, i suppose.

Nice catch.
Hope it rides as well as its' legendary namesake.
It never gets easier, you just go faster!

edit: If you ever do learn/confirm the framebuilder, the story would be nice to read.
Calfee Carbonframes had a short relationship w the Lemonds, and produced a bike raced in one of Greg's July victory years. I believe it (the race bike) was branded as a Lemond. I don't know how many Calfee Lemonds were built or exactly how long their Agreement lasted.
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there is a clark kent titanium bike for sale on the local CL.

pics are small but it does look similar: most titanium frames do i suppose. but the cable stops are in the same place.



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It seems to ride just like the smaller one. Like a rocket. I only took a four mile test ride, and it had some hills. I did go up the hill fast, so Lemond's axiom is true.

This frameset is a couple of years newer than the smaller one (my estimate), so I can't call them identical, but the differences aren't substantial. The chainstays on this one are straight whereas they bow out at the back on the smaller one.
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
The rumor and generally accepted story is that a small company called Clark-Kent built them, composed of guys named Clark and Kent. And the company didn't last long.
Yep, I've seen this info repeatedly over the years.

Check out this post at paceline, see post #5 in the thread.

https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=60705

And I thought I saved a more detailed article about the early Ti but I can't find it now, sorry.
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
...As luck had it, @Andy_K noticed I was looking for something similar in a larger size. He passed the word on to his friend @Andy Antipas who had an almost identical fram in my size and was too big for him. We traded, and I built this one up yesterday. I think this worked out well...
Huh. I've ridden with all three of you guys and I thought you were all about the same size. I guess I forgot to measure your arms and legs
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I've also got an early-to-mid 90s Clark-Kent:


I agree that most Ti bikes look the same to me. I'll note that the seat collar on my and the other CK are different than the Lemond. My bike's stays are mitered at the rear dropout, while the other C-K and the Lemond have the same round endcaps.

It looks like my head tube angle might be a bit more aggressive than the other bikes shown here, but that could just be the pics.

I find the bike to be lively (almost twitchy) and a good climber, as you'd expect of this type of frame. It's one size too small, but I like it so I make do.
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Nice swap.
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That CK does look the same in the dropouts and endcaps. Those and tube junctions / welds are where I most often can see identities.
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
It seems to ride just like the smaller one. Like a rocket. I only took a four mile test ride, and it had some hills. I did go up the hill fast, so Lemond's axiom is true.

This frameset is a couple of years newer than the smaller one (my estimate), so I can't call them identical, but the differences aren't substantial. The chainstays on this one are straight whereas they bow out at the back on the smaller one.
Ive always enjoyed your bikes but these mismatched tires are killing me. I guess you cant see the rear when you are riding.
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Thanks, @Narhay, and you’re right. The rear tire is a Veloflex, and it won’t last long. It’s not a durable tire.
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I tried a pair of 28mm Continental GP4000S-II tires on this bike. I measured them inflated at 29mm. The clearance between the rear tire and the seat tube was one millimeter. In theory, there's nothing wrong with that, especially since the frame has vertical dropouts. But it made me uncomfortable. Mud could get stuck in there. Or something. I swapped the Soma/Panaracer tires from my McLean, also rated 28mm but inflate to 27mm. There is a clearance of 3 or 4 mm, and that will do for now.

I have the bike back in NYC, and I've ridden it to work a couple of times. It really encourages me to pedal hard, and every time I ride it, my speed is much higher than on my Raleigh, inexplicably so.



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I just received a pair of 650B wheels with 38mm wide tires and a pair of long reach dual pivot brakes. It looks like this experiment will work. The rear hub takes a freewheel, so I'm thinking the best plan is to rebuild the rear wheel with a new Campagnolo hub. I'm excited to taste the 650B koolaid. This bike is fast and nimble, but it's also harsh. Wouldn't it be cool if this works out? It will be funny looking with its tight clearances and fat tires, but it might be a blast.
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Originally Posted by jamesdak View Post
Yep, I've seen this info repeatedly over the years.

Check out this post at paceline, see post #5 in the thread.

https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=60705

And I thought I saved a more detailed article about the early Ti but I can't find it now, sorry.
I researched the topic of who made LeMond ti frames awhile back, and reached the conclusion (in post #6 ) of this thread that the chain of production was Merlin > Sandvik > Clark Kent > Trek:

Lemond/Trek Titanium... What's it worth?
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Nice new bike, it is always kinda of magic when you get bike that makes you go faster
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Lemond Ti maker

I’ve got a mid-90’s Lemond Ti - built by Clark Kent. Bulbous chainstays at dropouts are the dead giveaway. If you look at the underside of the d-side dropout, there should be an alpha-numerical serial stamped there.
Mine begins with “I”, for “Ivo” Vinklarek, whom welded the frame. He and Don Herr (“H”) are said to be the 2 premier welders for C-K back in the day. I’ve done some research on all this and while there’s not a whole lot of info out there, that’s what I learned.
I spoke with Ivo



several years ago and he asked me a few questions about my frame - “welded integral or separate-style seat post clamp?” “chainstay diameter?”. Mine is integral (don’t remember chainstay diameter) and he told me mine was the “better” model.
Besides, it’s stamped “Ltd 1995” “12/100” on the BB.
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I really like the LeMond Ti frame that I took in trade from Tom. It was the perfect trade. I didn't have much experience with Ti frames. It rides much like my good steel bikes and is now one of the favorites in my collection. I built it with campy 8 speed, and I like it so much, I'm planning to rebuild it with a triple crank, a few weight weenie parts, and lighter tubular wheels. I look forward to riding it next summer for the long climbs like Red Mountain Pass near Durango, and Hurricane Ridge near Port Angeles.
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