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Old 03-19-18, 04:14 PM
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Bottecchia Leggendaria

Never thought I'd see this. An eBay link showed up in my email today and I clicked on it, thinking it was a late 80s-early 90s Equipe frame. But then I noticed that it was listed as brand new, way too expensive for a vintage frame, available in your choice of sizes, and made of Columbus Spirit Tubing rather than SLX or TSX. And it doesn't have the same windowed lugs or internally routed cables as the original. A quick Google search turned up the Bottecchia website with the modern Leggendaria models - in classic red/white, black/white, or blue/white with a Campagnolo Potenza drivetrain. Clearly designed for the retro-classic market but not suited for L'Eroica as configured. I'd have to do some more research on these but at a first impression, I'd say I really like them. They've essentially produced what I would have built up with a vintage frame if I were in the market to do that.

Edit: I see that they are available in the US and going for about $3800 with Campy Potenza.

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The red and chrome is very nice but for almost 1/4 as much, you can get this, also with potenza.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Raleigh-Car....c100675.m4236
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Wow! Pretty nice, thanks for the link!
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Holy cow, how are they selling that so cheap?

Originally Posted by Narhay View Post
The red and chrome is very nice but for almost 1/4 as much, you can get this, also with potenza.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Raleigh-Car....c100675.m4236
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Well they only have 53 and 61 on stock. But 61 would work for me!
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The retro business is also run by Bottecchia. The legendary SLX with which Lemond won the Tour and the World Championship in 1989. For me it is one of the most beautiful frame of bicycle history. And although the paint scheme of the reproduction follows the original, but it's not so harmonious in the details. And then we have not talked about the C-record yet...
I guess this Spirit tube is a new development and they're paired with a Cromor fork, which was not an elite tube already in the 80s. For me, it is not a matter of which I make my vote.
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I like these. MSRP is $4K, but I bet you could find cheaper at a store.Eroica | Bianchi USA
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Originally Posted by Narhay View Post
The red and chrome is very nice but for almost 1/4 as much, you can get this, also with potenza.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Raleigh-Car....c100675.m4236

That's a solid deal ! --- hmmm -- I ride a 53 -- hmmmm
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The new Masi Gran Criterium fits in this same group. Potenza for $2300-2800.
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Well you expect to pay more for a hand crafted in Italy bike, don`t you?

The red one is to die for.
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$4K for a "retro bike"?? I don't get it....Why not find the real thing for a fraction of the cost and GENUINE C&V??
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Agreed. About a quarter of the price, and I like the beausage:
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Agreed. About a quarter of the price, and I like the beausage:
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Agreed. About a quarter of the price, and I like the beausage:
What a beauty, but 1/4 the price is not real, I don't believe one could replace this bike for anywhere close to $950 in any but the very worst markets or taking advantage of someone who incredibly did not know what they had!
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Originally Posted by Narhay View Post
The red and chrome is very nice but for almost 1/4 as much, you can get this, also with potenza.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Raleigh-Car....c100675.m4236
Even cheaper on Raleigh corp site with corp discount
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How can anyone but a serious racer go into a store and pick out a Carbon Fiber bike when this is sitting on the floor right next to it?
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Love the red saddle.

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Agreed. About a quarter of the price, and I like the beausage:
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I guess my answer to all of those who are saying "why not just get an original C&V bike?" is simply that some folks would prefer a fully modern bike with classic styling. But the $3800 price tag on those things is pretty ridiculous when you have the retro Raleigh and Masi Gran Criterium with Potenza going so much cheaper. I haven't looked into the frames on those, are they of the same quality?

Now the other question, how could you buy a carbon fiber bike when these bikes are available, well, totally different purpose. Some folks are more interested in all out performance than in style and beauty. A sub 15-lb carbon bike does offer performance advantages over a 21-lb steel bike.

I was riding my '73 Bottecchia on a group ride once and people were checking it out and we started talking about C&V bikes and one of the riders, an older gentleman who had been very active on the racing circuit mentioned that he had just parted out and sold his original Italian, full Campy, 1961 bike (I forget what make/model it was) that had been his first racing bike. He did not see the allure of C&V. He was riding a modern carbon fiber bike and totally kicking a** despite being well in his late 60s. I was aghast at the thought of selling such a memento even if he wasn't into C&V - I would have had to at least hang it on the wall. But he had no particular attachment to it. It was a just an obsolete old bike to him and he'd had many.
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My friend has the new Masi. Nice bike. Made in Taiwan.
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Agreed. About a quarter of the price, and I like the beausage:
Case over. Personally know two others with the same. I'm so jealous.

Points and in regards to the OP, I think it's outstanding for a largely old recognized brand to offer such a bike. I also sympathize with a buyer seeing one for the first time, a brand spankin new classic, no one has ever sat on it. There's many too who are afraid of anything used and also despise new styled, type lightweights. In 30 years, ones kid will be riding it and calling this vintage.

Lastly, even if the company losses money on them, it really is no loss but rather is rolling advertising of its history, draws many of attention. It's also neat someone on the company board gave it the go. There's some soul behind that, regardless of cost.

Reminds me of pre Waterford and of Schwinn Paramount. Financial loser but rather a successful marketing tool for the giant company.

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I don't know what to make of that anymore really. The frame of my Bianchi Veloce that I bought in 2002 is labelled as Reparto Corse Hand Made in Italy of double-butted Dedacciai tubing and as best I can tell from comparing pictures is exactly the same as the frames of the top of the line steel Bianchis of the mid-late 90s before they switched to aluminum yet I darned near got into an argument with a C&V member a few years ago who said it was not a good quality frame and should never have been marketed as 'Reparto Corse'. And that member even provided an email from a Bianchi employee that said that Bianchi had put the Reparto Corse decals on some of their lesser frames at one point though they had stopped that practice (although there was no indication that had happened with my particular frame). Was it true? I don't know. I also have a circa 2004 Bianchi Pista made in Taiwan and the construction appears to be identical. Different tubing but they are both made with some very nice TIG welded joints. Maybe a robot did it in Taiwan, who knows. Then again, I've had people criticize the original Bottecchias as well (not so much here in C&V but in that other group that shall remain nameless ;-) ) with one guy going so far as to say that Bottecchias were a waste of a good Campagnolo gruppo and another saying that people used to buy Bottecchias just to get the Campagnolo gruppo and then strip the frame and throw it away. I honestly can't see what makes some of those other bikes so much better even if they do have a bit better brazing and finishing on the lugs. They seem functionally identical. I do suppose it would be cheaper to find a vintage Bottecchia Equipe frame and build it out like the new Leggendaria. But there is also something to be said for being able to walk into a shop and hand them your card and walk out with a brand new bike.

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My friend has the new Masi. Nice bike. Made in Taiwan.
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I guess my answer to all of those who are saying "why not just get an original C&V bike?" is simply that some folks would prefer a fully modern bike with classic styling. But the $3800 price tag on those things is pretty ridiculous when you have the retro Raleigh and Masi Gran Criterium with Potenza going so much cheaper. I haven't looked into the frames on those, are they of the same quality?

Now the other question, how could you buy a carbon fiber bike when these bikes are available, well, totally different purpose. Some folks are more interested in all out performance than in style and beauty. A sub 15-lb carbon bike does offer performance advantages over a 21-lb steel bike.

I was riding my '73 Bottecchia on a group ride once and people were checking it out and we started talking about C&V bikes and one of the riders, an older gentleman who had been very active on the racing circuit mentioned that he had just parted out and sold his original Italian, full Campy, 1961 bike (I forget what make/model it was) that had been his first racing bike. He did not see the allure of C&V. He was riding a modern carbon fiber bike and totally kicking a** despite being well in his late 60s. I was aghast at the thought of selling such a memento even if he wasn't into C&V - I would have had to at least hang it on the wall. But he had no particular attachment to it. It was a just an obsolete old bike to him and he'd had many.
What's ones age got to do with it? Good for the fellow who whizzes with the fast crowd, but I'd give extra credit if done the same on the old classic.

In late riding season and when strongest, I absolutely enjoy riding my gas pipe 60s Bott, 5 speed single ring, steel cottered crank, steel components, steel scrap campy Velox, yada and...hanging with some pretty darn quick ammee club racers (riding CF).

Funny time too when parking the old steel clunker next to those modern bikes. Comments such as "watch out and don't get too close, your bike might catch something nasty".
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Well, most of us do tend to get a bit slower as we age.

When I tried my hand at time trail racing a few years back (on a modern bike) I noticed that the 45+ and 55+ guys were only about 30 seconds behind the Pro-1-2 guys while my friends and I were several minutes back.

If you can do it on a C&V bike, awesome. But you can't deny that a modern bike does have performance advantages over a vintage bike. It's not always just a matter of the extra 5-6 pounds of weight. Carbon fiber can be tuned to provide different frame characteristics, modern brakes work better, modern drive-trains offer faster, smoother shifting and both a wider range and closer spaced gearing. On a fairly short ride or at a sub-maximal pace none of that might matter but it will have an effect in the long run. I've experienced it where, for example, we're coming up on a sharp turn and I start braking sooner while the other guys can go harder into the turn, then they are able to **** gears much quicker coming out of the turn allowing them to accelerate harder. Maybe the put a couple of bike lengths on me. No big deal, I just have to sprint a bit to catch up. But do that repeatedly over a 30-mile ride and pretty soon I'm getting tired while they are still fresh. I start losing them on the climbs.

Of course there are guys out there, old or otherwise, who are just stronger riders and can keep up or even take the lead on a C&V bike. Good for them.

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What's ones age got to do with it? Good for the fellow who whizzes with the fast crowd, but I'd give extra credit if done the same on the old classic.

In late riding season and when strongest, I absolutely enjoy riding my gas pipe 60s Bott, 5 speed single ring, steel cottered crank, steel components, steel scrap campy Velox, yada and...hanging with some pretty darn quick ammee club racers (riding CF).

Funny time too when parking the old steel clunker next to those modern bikes. Comments such as "watch out and don't get too close, your bike might catch something nasty".
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Well, most of us do tend to get a bit slower as we age.

When I tried my hand at time trail racing a few years back (on a modern bike) I noticed that the 45+ and 55+ guys were only about 30 seconds behind the Pro-1-2 guys while my friends and I were several minutes back.

If you can do it on a C&V bike, awesome. But you can't deny that a modern bike does have performance advantages over a vintage bike. It's not always just a matter of the extra 5-6 pounds of weight. Carbon fiber can be tuned to provide different frame characteristics, modern brakes work better, modern drive-trains offer faster, smoother shifting and both a wider range and closer spaced gearing. On a fairly short ride or at a sub-maximal pace none of that might matter but it will have an effect in the long run. I've experienced it where, for example, we're coming up on a sharp turn and I start braking sooner while the other guys can go harder into the turn, then they are able to **** gears much quicker coming out of the turn allowing them to accelerate harder. Maybe the put a couple of bike lengths on me. No big deal, I just have to sprint a bit to catch up. But do that repeatedly over a 30-mile ride and pretty soon I'm getting tired while they are still fresh. I start losing them on the climbs.

Of course there are guys out there, old or otherwise, who are just stronger riders and can keep up or even take the lead on a C&V bike. Good for them.
You can experience most of those advantages putting a modern drive train and brakes on a vintage steel frame. That is why these bikes are so cool. They look pretty too.

Edit: crank_addict is one of those guys. I witness him taking on the young CF racers on several occasions. I am not that guy. Not even on Carbon Fiber. LOL
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